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imply magic -> fantasy

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Username_Hidden said:

What about magic in modern setting? (eg. post #4080725)

Still fantasy. Just in a high tech world.
There are many settings like this. Warhammer fo example (post #4498233)
It's called science fantasy — a hybrid genre within speculative fiction that simultaneously draws upon or combines tropes and elements from both science fiction and fantasy.

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Takaluki said:

Still fantasy. Just in a high tech world.
There are many such settings. Warhammer fo example (post #5342615)

I think the fantasy tag should specifically be for traditional fantasy scenarios. I can't see how useful it would be otherwise. (Nevermind, i can see it being broader)
However, the wiki only has a vague description, and from what I'm seeing the tag doesn't have any clear direction. post #5347048, post #5343509, post #5339455, post #5337050, they're all in the same tag, but the only thing that connects them is that they're fiction (?, unsure about the second one)

I think we should first define what should go in fantasy, and then figure out whether or not every single magic instance goes in that.

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Username_Hidden said:

I think the fantasy tag should specifically be for traditional fantasy scenarios. I can't see how useful it would be otherwise. (Nevermind, i can see it being broader)
However, the wiki only has a vague description, and from what I'm seeing the tag doesn't have any clear direction. post #5347048, post #5343509, post #5339455, post #5337050, they're all in the same tag, but the only thing that connects them is that they're fiction (?, unsure about the second one)

I think we should first define what should go in fantasy, and then figure out whether or not every single magic instance goes in that.

Fantasy is about magic. If we see magic, or its manifestation, then this is fantasy.
post #5347048 — magic mecha -> fantasy
post #5343509 — can't see any kind of magic... Don't think this is a fantasy... Probably it's just a mistake.
post #5339455 — elf -> fantasy
post #5337050 — she uses electrisity with her bare hand -> fantasy.

Takaluki said:

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Leaving aside the canon tagging on the Mecha, by those definitions, every single artwork with fantasy races and magic would need to be put under fantasy. And that is without considering the setting at all, because low fantasy doesn't necessarily have magic, but it still counts as fantasy.
Do also consider that Touhou alone has currently 750k artworks.

To that I will say, you are technically right. But consider this: what do you think someone searching for fantasy want to find? If we were to tag a million artworks with fantasy, would the tag be useful?

Username_Hidden said:

Leaving aside the canon tagging on the Mecha, by those definitions, every single artwork with fantasy races and magic would need to be put under fantasy.

It would be perfect.

Do also consider that Touhou alone has currently 750k artworks.

Not every Touhou art contains magic. Furthermore, there only 10k magic artworks AT ALL.

To that I will say, you are technically right. But consider this: what do you think someone searching for fantasy want to find? If we were to tag a million artworks with fantasy, would the tag be useful?

Fantasy means fantasy (magic, etc.)
I mean, magic is what makes fantasy fantasy...

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"Fantasy" is a generic term that I'm half inclined to suggest just deprecating. Genre tags in general are hard to keep people from misusing, and this one seems like the worst of the bunch. It'd be easier to tag the different kinds of fantasy, than to make a generic fantasy tag that's actually useful, especially if it's going to include things like post #5347048.

I think you need to re-read howto:tag. A huge amount of your tagging habits are based on literal definitions and canon. You went on a tagging spree for posts like post #5337050, tagging them electrokinesis, fantasy, science fiction, psychic, esper, and freakin' railgun for some reason. This is some severe tag poisoning on your part to the point where I want to mass undo your tag changes even though some of your tags are fine.

This BUR would just cause a mass poisoning of an already failing tag.

I swear, some people are dedicated to broadening the fantasy tag so much we have no choice to nuke it for how uselessly diluted it is. Someone has been tagging hundreds of mecha posts this way, and I'm already beginning to doubt the tag's viability. Like, who is actually searching for the tag at this point, and how could they possibly be satisfied with the chaotic mess of search results?

Almost a year has passed after this topic, and in the meanwhile @Takaluki you proceeded to add fantasy to thousands of posts like post #3714653, post #4167218, post #5985756, post #6080955, post #6044082, and science fiction to an equal amount of similarly barely-themed posts like post #6079665, despite people telling you to not dilute these tags.

At this point I'm forced to nuke all of your additions to these two tags. There was some valid tagging, but unfortunately you added these tags to so much garbage that I have no choice.

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nonamethanks said:

Almost a year has passed after this topic, and in the meanwhile @Takaluki you proceeded to add fantasy to thousands of posts like post #3714653, post #4167218, post #5985756, post #6080955, post #6044082, and science fiction to an equal amount of similarly barely-themed posts like post #6079665, despite people telling you to not dilute these tags.

At this point I'm forced to nuke all of your additions to these two tags. There was some valid tagging, but unfortunately you added these tags to so much garbage that I have no choice.

Their tagging seems to be based on fantasy and si-fi clothing, which might be worth getting their own tags but I doubt are going to be efficient since we also have a bunch of borderline mild military, techwear, cyberwear in the mix.

blindVigil said:

"Fantasy" is a generic term that I'm half inclined to suggest just deprecating. Genre tags in general are hard to keep people from misusing, and this one seems like the worst of the bunch. It'd be easier to tag the different kinds of fantasy, than to make a generic fantasy tag that's actually useful, especially if it's going to include things like post #5347048.

To be honest, I'm all in support of deprecating fantasy, before making BUR for it. Such tag is visually so ambiguous and arbitrary, not really descriptive at all. Fantasy seems redundant since many animanga and video game copyrights are fantasy-themed. For the same reason, action is now deprecated. Still, it's unlike the visually-distinct science fiction.

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