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Turning Recursive Genderswaps into a tag

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mortalkombachan said:

No, the concept is not objective enough and usually demands more context beyond the picture's content.

You'll have to elaborate on that because it just makes it seem like you don't know what objective means.

Nameless_Contributor said:

How so more than regular genderswap?

Normally you require external knowledge to know and tell it is a recursive genderswap, unlike the regular genderswap, it is not obvious at first sight. In fact, it is closer to canon tagging than TWYS. For these I believe it is more appropriate as pool like it has always been, rather than a tag.

mortalkombachan said:

Normally you require external knowledge to know and tell it is a recursive genderswap, unlike the regular genderswap, it is not obvious at first sight. In fact, it is closer to canon tagging than TWYS. For these I believe it is more appropriate as pool like it has always been, rather than a tag.

genderswap requires the same external knowledge you're talking about, though? i've found myself several times stumble upon genderswapped characters i've never seen before and not know it was a genderswap until seeing the tag or the search page of the character themself.
There are also a whole bunch of other unrelated tags that require external knowledge like official style, voice actor connection, or literally just most metatags. Those still rely on objective knowledge

Mayhem-Chan said:

genderswap requires the same external knowledge you're talking about, though? i've found myself several times stumble upon genderswapped characters i've never seen before and not know it was a genderswap until seeing the tag or the search page of the character themself.
There are also a whole bunch of other unrelated tags that require external knowledge like official style, voice actor connection, or literally just most metatags. Those still rely on objective knowledge

It is different. You just need to have seen the character once, take a quick look at the character's posts or the tags used by the artist to tell it's a simple regular genderswap. Obviously, if you never saw the character before and is completely unfamiliar with, you won't be able to use genderswap and other tags that you would use if you knew more the character (like specific accessories or even a tag like incest, for example), while others users who are more familiar with the character will tag what you uploaded accordingly.
Compared to that, recursive genderswap is a more obscure and complex concept that require knowledge regarding the character's conception and origins, extra steps to tell that it might be the case as it is not obvious like a simple genderswap.

nonamethanks said:

Do we count umamusume genderswap as recursive genderswaps? pool:Recursive_Genderswaps umamusume has 100 posts.
I really don't think we should, for the same reason why we don't count Saber as a genderswap - they're their own characters now.

Saber is literally the first post in the pool lmao. If "established characters" aren't supposed to be in the pool then I'm at somewhat of a loss what would even be in it, the first page is almost entirely ftm Toyosatomimi no Miko. It seems to me like it's not a very useful concept if certain genderswaps arbitrarily don't count.

Now I feel like wires got crossed somewhere. post #12279 is a genderswapped Saber, who originally is a genderswapped Arthur Pendragon. That's recursive, it's fully in line with the first sentence of the pool's description. Genderswap_(ftm) saber is only three pages of results. I'm definitely not saying all 16k Saber posts should be included, that wouldn't make sense. Same deal with Toyosatomimi no Miko.

Umamusume on the other hand is a bit more contentious. I don't really know how to address that.

blindVigil said:

Now I feel like wires got crossed somewhere. post #12279 is a genderswapped Saber, who originally is a genderswapped Arthur Pendragon.

Oh, I completely misunderstood you then, disregard my post.

The problem I'm talking about is that I'm going through the pool and it's full of things like post #4888491, characters which aren't really the "original sex". The umamusume horse girls might be based on the horses, sure, but i find it really hard to call posts like these "recursive genderswaps" when personifications start getting thrown in and you're several layers of transformation deep.

Thinking about it i don't really care too much about it though, the tag will be naturally too small to be troublesome anyway. I'd rather have a tag that can be gardened than a pool.

Updated

So the concept is:

Originally male character's genderswapped (female) version genderswapped into the original sex (male) again and vice versa?

A pool is interesting, but a tag? Idk, if a genderswapped character is popular enough, won't they get a tag and at that point, wouldn't you be able to use the genderswapped chartag + genderswap_(mtf)/ftm to have the same results?

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