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Tag discussion: "hand to chin / hand on chin"

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Resurrecting this old thread, I think the problem still persists. chin grab and chin rest seem to be used all right, but there seems to be some confusion about chin stroking (includes chin tickling?) and chin hold should be in chin grab. hand to chin and hand on chin are all over the place, just like the old hand on chest and hand to chest tags.

How about this, kinda analogous to hand on own chest and hand on another's chest:

Plural tags probably aren’t needed because I think having both hands on another’s chin isn’t too common and would be fine under hand on chin and having both hands on your own chin doesn’t really happen unless it’s chin rest or hands on own face.

hand to chin, hand on chin and chin stroking don’t have that many posts, so I would volunteer to actually sort through them.

Thoughts?

  • renaming chin grab to hand on another's chin

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People don't grab their own chin (grabbing usually involves force), so chin_grab serves its purpose very well. hand on another's chin is too ambigious. The hand could be anywhere on the chin.

  • tickling someone’s chin would go into hand on another's chin

Just make a chin_tickle tag and use that. Again, you can't tickle yourself so the purpose is clear and hand on another's chin doesn't carry the same meaning.

hand_to_chin is for a hand that is moved "to" the chin. = no touching. Something like post #1060106, although there could be a more specific tag for these posts (post #1057207, post #1062846, post #792105) and this (post #995068).

S1eth said:

  • renaming chin grab to hand on another's chin

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People don't grab their own chin (grabbing usually involves force), so chin_grab serves its purpose very well.

My idea was to get it more in line with hand on another's chest and hand on another's face.

hand on another's chin is too ambigious. The hand could be anywhere on the chin.

Same for chin grab. So you would want to distinguish between them based on whether or not force is used? That might be hard to see, resulting in inconsistent tag use.

hand_to_chin is for a hand that is moved "to" the chin. = no touching. Something like post #1060106, although there could be a more specific tag for these posts (post #1057207, post #1062846, post #792105) and this (post #995068).

Something like finger to chin and the difference would be that the palm doesn’t touch the chin? That might cause some confusion and more inconsistent tag use. I think those posts would fit under hand on own chin just fine.

kittey said:
My idea was to get it more in line with hand on another's chest and hand on another's face.
Same for chin grab. So you would want to distinguish between them based on whether or not force is used? That might be hard to see, resulting in inconsistent tag use.

No, you misinterpret what I wrote. I wouldn't split up EDIT:(chin_grab) (or rename it). There are too many ways in which you can "put a hand on a chin" (touch it with the back of the hand, the palm, a finger, etc.). chin_grab is a specific action in which you take the chin (by or as if by a sudden motion) in your hand.

This one also has the same gesture I mentioned earlier: post #316638

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S1eth said:
No, you misinterpret what I wrote. I wouldn't split up chin_rest (or rename it). There are too many ways in which you can "put a hand on a chin" (touch it with the back of the hand, the palm, a finger, etc.).

Sorry, you’re confusing me. I didn’t mention chin_rest in my last post.

chin_grab is a specific action in which you take the chin (by or as if by a sudden motion) in your hand.

Okay, I agree with that.
Then shouldn’t hand on own chin or hand on another's chin be additional tags so that it’s possible to distinguish whether the different chin-related tags apply to oneself or someone else?

This one also has the same gesture I mentioned earlier: post #316638

Yes, but what tag would you want to use for that? I’d just use hand on own chin. I almost suggested thinker pose, but that only reminds me of The Thinker. Then again, maybe we could clean up chin stroking with the help of chin tickle and clarify that on the wiki.

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i agree that chin_hold and chin_grab be put together somehow as both seem to refer to one character holding another character's chin. however, i think the grab part of chin_grab is somewhat misleading. grab, according to the dictionary (and as S1eth had stated), somewhat implies seizing/taking something by force.

but the overwhelming majority of the chin_grab posts tell otherwise as they display romantic/emotive situations between characters. the other character seems to cup/hold/lightly touch the other's chin as if it was a very delicate object (often with blushing or ready to kiss). but there are posts like post #676692 that somehow demonstrate some "resistance" but really in the minority. in fact, i think is one alone really lives to the name of 'chin grab'.

i've read the wikis of hand on chin and hand to chin and they seem to be fine guidelines. however, the posts need massive cleaning up. and we still need somehow to remove the confusion of using "on/to" when we put some significance to the source of the hand. i think aliasing them (on/to) to longer tag names would address just that and enforce more proper and accurate tagging.

and how to we exactly define chin? is it just the 'pointed' part? or the area of the jaw below the mouth?

and aside from the source of the hand, are we also going to consider which part of the hand touched the chin? or if the hand is balled up somehow like a fist? though i think it's a bit excessive to go beyond the source of hand, atm.

EDIT: chin_hold and chin_grab posts could fall under the new wiki def of hand_on_chin.

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