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Question on the tailchaser tag and validity of arguments used to flag posts

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I had some problems in regards to the flagged image post #36288. What exactly is the copyright talechaser? There are both cosplay photos and drawings of a character under the tag, and in both cases they're linked to the same site and seemed to depict the same character. The argument that it is "not anime-related" seems rather dependent on what is the tailchaser tag. Going just on what is under the tag, I would get the impression that the person is cosplaying the character in the drawings which would mean it is anime-related and the argument for the flagging is invalid. It could very well be the reverse or something else, but there is no info on what tailchaser is. The thing is, the person who flagged this has only pulled up the reason "non anime-related" and there is nothing to back up the claim that the flagger is right.

I would not expect the image to be reapproved, but I am getting worried that some users are abusing arguments like "not anime-related" to flag material that they do not like and are not bothering to really delve into whether their reason for flagging is valid or not. As an example, post #1100232 was flagged some 10 minutes after its first approval for the reason "not anime-related," despite the fact that it very much is anime-related.

Some may argue what does it matter if this is anime-related or not as the image should not get approved anyway, but I personally feel that letting potentially bad justifications for a flagging slide simply fuels further misuse of that argument in flagging other images and rewards those users who use bad arguments to flag content. I really think it needs to go on a user's record when they use invalid reasons to flag an image. I'm sure a better justification for flagging post #36288 could have been used.

It probably would be nice as a janitor/mod that for an image that has been flagged that we could place a dissenting opinion if we believe that the reasoning for the initial flagging is bad, but that we do not agree that the image should be reapproved either.

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NWF_Renim said:
As an example, post #1100232 was flagged some 10 minutes after its first approval for the reason "not anime-related," despite the fact that it very much is anime-related.

To be fair the relation is subtle and could very easily be missed.

NWF_Renim said:
It probably would be nice as a janitor/mod that for an image that has been flagged that we could place a dissenting opinion if we believe that the reasoning for the initial flagging is bad, but that we do not agree that the image should be reapproved either.

You could flag it yourself with your reason. Far from ideal, but it's something that can be done until there's a real solution.

ShadowbladeEdge said:
To be fair the relation is subtle and could very easily be missed.

It may be subtle, but before someone hits that button to flag an image the user should have bothered to check the tags and actually look closely at the image. The fact that whoever had flagged it did not, shows the flagger did not care.

ShadowbladeEdge said:
You could flag it yourself with your reason. Far from ideal, but it's something that can be done until there's a real solution.

There is a difference between flagging (actively removing something) and tacking on your justification for not reapproving (passive removal something). To flag something means that you have to have a will to actively want to remove the image, not reapproving is a passive act that means you have no intent to approve it. There is a subtle difference, but the act requires very different desires (one the desire to remove, and the other the desire not to save). It's more or less the difference between active and passive euthanasia. I would not have actively attempted to kill the image, but likewise I would not have actively attempted to save it either.

ghostrigger said:
not sure if this will help (old snapshot)

by the looks of it, and in one page, talechaser was probably the site name and circle name of the artist (as stated in the profile)?

They seem to have a separate section for the bunny eared girl with the description "扉絵・記念絵等、看板娘のCGイラストです" google translator would give me the impression that the character is the circle's mascot character.

Someone probably could glean some information on the cosplayer, as she had a separate section with its own about page if they felt inclined to.

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Perhaps I'm missing something, but in regards to a way of expressing dissent over a particular flag, while not saying the image should be approved...

Wouldn't leaving a comment stating as such serve that purpose?

Arrei said:
Perhaps I'm missing something, but in regards to a way of expressing dissent over a particular flag, while not saying the image should be approved...

Wouldn't leaving a comment stating as such serve that purpose?

That could work, but its visibility would depend on how many comments have been already placed on the image. If the image was contentious and there was active commenting going on it could also get lost amongst other user comments.

That's taking the "anime" part of "anime-related" too literally. The rule's just that posts need to be anime/manga styled, or otherwise related to anime/manga, yes? Barring certain exceptional offerings.

I thought it was all about style, only. That's why I wrote that comment.

*checking*

Yup, it's quite unambiguous. Howto:upload states:

Danbooru is an Anime Art Gallery first, and a high-quality gallery second. Only anime-style art will be accepted. Art which are done in other styles are highly likely to be rejected.

Generally Accepted
Anime-style illustrations.
Anime-style renditions of characters from Western animation or comics.
Photography of Anime-themed papercraft. Examples: paper_child

Conditionally Accepted
Doujinshi (especially long doujins covering many pages), must be a high quality untranslated raw. Please make it clear that you are uploading a long series if you have a download limit by grouping the pages into a pool.

Generally Rejected
Most Photography.
Western style illustrations (commonly known outside Danbooru as 'cartoons' or 'comics').

Note the very last part. Maybe we should change that a bit to to show anime-related western-style images are allowed as well.

FWIW, that site states that its artist is Manaki Shigehiro.
From the profile page: 真奈木しげひろ    ※「真奈木」は「まなき」と読みます

We already have them tagged as manaki_(mazaki). I'll edit the posts to manaki_shigehiro.

And the 看板娘/mascot character is known as うーちゃん, "Uu-chan", but her full name/real name is Wendy Rabbit. (本名:ウェンディ・ラビット)

And about "anime-related", I think it'd be better expressed as "Japanese media-related".

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