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Tags Suggestion: *_penetration, *_insertion, implications

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Speaking frankly, I am intimidated, even scared, to search through (and inevitably overlook) relevant threads, especially if discussions were not resolved, so for the following, I will only be referring to cited wikis. I apologize in advance.

Currently, the penetration wiki reads:

Penetration by objects that aren't normally used for penetration, so no penises or sex toys. Instead, use vaginal for penis and sex toy penetration, which is a vague tag for all vaginal penetration.

...with object_insertion aliased to it.

The vaginal and anal wikis are all-encompassing of anything within for sexual purposes, and insertion is generally object-oriented.

I know this will seem redundant, but I suggest the following:
create implication vaginal_penetration -> vaginal
create implication vaginal_insertion -> vaginal
create implication anal_penetration -> anal
create implication anal_insertion -> anal

Where "penetration" would refer to gonads (primarily penises), and "insertion" would refer to objects (including such as strap-ons). My immediate concerns are:
- how fingering (or other non-gonad body parts) would figure in,
- what non-biological gonads would qualify for (ex: inherent robo-dong),
- determining if particular tentacles qualify as gonads and/or "objects",
- non-vagina/anus orifice penetrations/insertions (primarily oral),
- use/implication of penetration and insertion themselves,
- "clean-up} of the plethora related tags,
...and others I'm sure would come up, if this gains traction.

However, I feel this redundancy can allow for useful tag combinations, particularly in cases where (as defined above) penetration and insertion are depicted for a single orifice.

I might also call for reforming tags such as double_/triple_penetration to go along with the above, but I've thought such through even less than the above, but the consideration is present, at least.

NeverGonnaGive said:

Where "penetration" would refer to gonads (primarily penises), and "insertion" would refer to objects (including such as strap-ons).

If 'penetration' currently means 'object insertion', switching it to the opposite could be confusing to users. Also the sex tag usually seems to refer to penises being inserted, so your definition of penetration seems like it would be redundant to that tag.

Personally I think both penetration and insertion should be renamed to object insertion for clarity. They both currently say they're for objects being inserted, but are commonly mistagged because their names are vague. For example, even though penetration's wiki explicitly says "no penises", half the first page of its results are of penises being inserted. The same is true of 'insertion', though to a lesser extent.

Alright, I spent a few minutes writing up a post objecting to this idea, but as I worked through the particulars, my vote has switched the other way in the parent post's favor. At this point, my main objection comes down the the fact that someone is going to have to commit to maintaining this tags and to help train users doing it the old way, but that's not really much of an objection.

The only real alternative is to make anal and vaginal penis-only, and the more I think about it, the less specific porn usually is about that.

For for particulars:
- *_fingering should imply the base "orifice tag," but should *not* be *_penetration or *_insertion.
- Non-biological gonads should be tagged by what they most closely represent if they are actually part of the being's body.
- Tentacles should generally be objects. Some tentacle monsters have a distinct penis, and some pictures involve men or more commonly futanari joining in the action.
- Skip oral. Urethral and breast-related tags may need some cleanup to align with this, but that's a relatively short, if unpleasant job.

The real stinker is what to do with double penetration, etc. and with multiple insertions. I can see a use for separate tags for all-penis or no-penis penetration/insertion, but what to do with the mixed cases, and how to distinguish "many holes" v. "many in one hole?"

BCI_Temp said:

if unpleasant job.

I hear ya.

The real stinker is what to do with double penetration, etc. and with multiple insertions. I can see a use for separate tags for all-penis or no-penis penetration/insertion, but what to do with the mixed cases, and how to distinguish "many holes" v. "many in one hole?"

Regarding the all-or-none-of-a-kind (the middle bit), I'd figured getting specific to that point is less priority, though I was of the mind of both-kinds-in-one-hole setup (say, vaginal_insertion vaginal_penetration multiple_penetration -anal -oral?). For the latter, the more I think, the more it branches into "what about this situation?". The simplest search combos might be like "1girl solo_focus vaginal_penetration anal_penetration multiple_penetration". I would hope there, with the right combos, would be only so many posts to sift through to find what one intended, but some such strings would be infeasible even for elevated member levels, right?

MyrMindservant said:

If I remember correctly, I was mostly agreeing with the Toks' suggestion from forum #85516.

jxh2154 said:

Toks suggestion in the old post MryMindservant linked makes sense to me. These tags are such monsters though, so it's hard to get going on changing them.

If we're in agreement about my old post, can we do at least part of it? I recommend the parts involving removing erroneous implications and making the name of the insertion tag more clear, as they seem the least controversial:

remove implication orgy -> sex

remove implication multiple_insertions -> insertion
remove implication urethral_insertion -> insertion

remove alias object_insertion -> penetration
create alias insertion -> object_insertion

Did these:
remove implication orgy -> sex
remove implication multiple_insertions -> insertion
remove implication urethral_insertion -> insertion
remove alias object_insertion -> penetration
create alias insertion -> object_insertion

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