confusion on looking_up

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There seems to be some confusion on what the looking_up tag is for. Three examples are post #1349324, post #1654781, and post #1412704 (the black haired one in the last picture).
In all three images, a character is "looking up" but from a different reference frame. In the first, the character is looking up if you consider that she's on the ground and the direction "up" is normal to the ground. In the second the character is looking up if you consider that people generally stand on their feet and so the direction "up" is the direction of the spine, from bottom to top. In the third the eyes are rotated backwards within the skull.
What's worse is that the second also has the eyes rotated backwards in the skull while no clear ground makes her uncategorizeable by the first's reference frame. Meanwhile the third picture is looking up by the definitions of both the first and the second.
Finally we have this fourth image, post #1173805, who's line of sight means she is looking up by the first image's definition but looking down by the second and third's definition, displaying how all combinations are really possible.

I really don't know how to define looking up or what the exact intent of the tag is, but a more rigid definition does seem necessary.

That takes care of most of the ambiguity and only leaves cases such as post #1630017 (NSFW) and post #1641114. In the first has the spine vertical, neck bent forward, and eyes rotated up, while the second has the spine vertical, neck bent back, and eyes rotated down. All things considered both of these images have the direction of the eyes being perpendicular to the spine, meaning that the person is looking neither up nor down.
It is true that I had to really look for those images. A lot of images would fail your definition but and the remaining ones either had a straight neck and eyes rotated up or a neck bent back with eyes looking forward.

Good counterpoints. A refinement could be "eyes up, neck up." I would't call the first example "up," more like "straight forward." Second one is looking more to the side, but I'd say it's "close enough" for the purpose of the tag; it's something I would want in a looking_up search anyway.

Hillside_Moose said:

Good counterpoints. A refinement could be "eyes up, neck up." I would't call the first example "up," more like "straight forward." Second one is looking more to the side, but I'd say it's "close enough" for the purpose of the tag; it's something I would want in a looking_up search anyway.

Since the neck and eyes usually agree on where they want to look I think it's a fine rule for the tag. I would like to edit the wiki with a little clarification but I don't think I have access. Is there some way I can go about enacting such a change?

Imosa said:

Since the neck and eyes usually agree on where they want to look I think it's a fine rule for the tag. I would like to edit the wiki with a little clarification but I don't think I have access. Is there some way I can go about enacting such a change?

You can edit a wiki page by clicking the "Edit" button in the subnavbar while you're viewing the wiki page. It's next to the "History" button.

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