I thought to add this one since it seems someone had added several implications to siblings (brothers, sisters, brother_and_sister) that were accepted, so I thought to add an implication of twins->siblings to increase the catch-all nature of the "siblings" tag. Twins are siblings by definition, and I really can't think of any instances where the "twins" tag should be used when the subject of the image are not siblings.
The first is a direct romanization of the Japanese handle, but his website and email uses the romanization "gisarme". I decided to submit an alias here even though they are single names since there doesn't seem to be much potential for them to be ambiguous.
No objection on the first, though I think the latter falls under my "just change the tags, no alias needed" approach.
Only 11 images mostly uploaded by EB himself (so he'll know there was a tag change), and if the old artist entry is deleted/cleared out (as it seems to be), with the new one properly filled in (as it seems to be), then that should take care of it. Anyone using the find artist function here or in danbooruup will get the new name and it removes the need for a single name alias. It doesn't seem too strange to me to expect that something or someone truly named gisarume would appear down the line.
Like I said before, tags/implications like this which are only collections of other tags are useless. I thought that with the recent deletion of the final_fantasy implications it meant these kinds of things weren't going to happen anymore. We want to search for sisters, brothers (maybe), "sisters twins" but not "~brothers ~sisters" I think.
Speaking of which, isn't anyone bothered that searching for sisters shows a massive spoiler? And besides, it's not a very useful tag, not like twins. sisterly, like the first point of the mother_and_daughter wiki would be more useful but may be too subjective. Btw, I don't likw the second point in that wiki, it only serves to make some posts spoilerful, I think we should only use the first one.
You call hypernymous tags useless, but you're also the one that complains about the limit on tag searches. If any regular member had any interest in a hypernym tag like "siblings" they would be unable to re-capture the effect by combining the constituent tags. I say keep it and approve the alias for siblings. I'm with jxh on the second, it seems uneccessary, I'd just take care of it with the artist alias system.
Oh, memegui, what's the massive spoiler you are seeing? I'm either too familiar or not familiar enough with the series to see it as spoilerish.
Shinjidude said: Oh, memegui, what's the massive spoiler you are seeing?
Whatever it is, don't post it openly, memegui, use the spoiler tags of course... Now I'm going to wind up avoiding this thread in fear of a spoiler getting posted...
One possible spoiler from the sisters tag is showing that Rin and Sakura from Fate/Stay Night are sisters, which we don't find out until near the end of the game. (Spoilers for Fate/Stay Night)
jxh2154 said: though I think the latter falls under my "just change the tags, no alias needed" approach.
Well, I was thinking of just changing the tags unilaterally as I do tend to do that on artists that don't have many images (seems someone else did already in this case anyway). I thought it might be needed since "gisarume" got created even though there already was a "gisarme" artist wiki (so I was thinking it would ease confusion for those going with a direct reading from the Pixiv handle).
One thing I'm wondering is, should the wiki entries on redundant or mistaken tag names be deleted? I tried to do this on some of the ones I've corrected and moved to different names, but it doesn't allow me to do it with the Notes section (seems I can with the other artist wiki stuff).
memegui said: Like I said before, tags/implications like this which are only collections of other tags are useless.
This one isn't useless. If I were to search "siblings incest" I would expect that twins would be included in that search.
As for tag spoilers, I don't see any good way to avoid them. Besides, I think you have to expect to see some spoilers when visiting an image board like Danbooru.
EmperorBrandon said: One thing I'm wondering is, should the wiki entries on redundant or mistaken tag names be deleted?
If the tag isn't, and isn't supposed to be, used, then yes the wiki page should be deleted too or people will think it's still a valid tag.
I tried to do this on some of the ones I've corrected and moved to different names, but it doesn't allow me to do it with the Notes section (seems I can with the other artist wiki stuff).
You can't delete the entry outright, or deleting anything included in "notes" doesn't work?
jxh2154 said: You can't delete the entry outright, or deleting anything included in "notes" doesn't work?
I can't delete the notes entry outright (gives me "Access denied") is what I meant.
I was wanting to do this with sakura_pimeko after I moved the images to sakura_koharu. It seems that "pimeko" was thought to be a reading of the artist's given name going by the artist's blog, but it is actually a separate alias and not a reading. I deleted the artist wiki, but the notes wiki is still around because I couldn't delete it.
evazion said: This one isn't useless. If I were to search "siblings incest" I would expect that twins would be included in that search.
? "siblings incest" is just plain old incest. What, do you want to start tagging things with cousins as well to specify the degree of incest? That's even more useless than siblings. To search for twincest just search "twinsincest".
Memegui, I think it is more about differentiating incest between siblings and incest between parent-child. Honestly though, the only difference between incest images and non-incest images is the label saying it's incest.
Sisters = "yuri incest", "sisters incest" Boy-Mom/Oneesan = "incest shota" Father-daughter is trickier as it could be more than "loli incest".
But like Renim said, incest, and sisters also, are useless as searches, they're just those kinds of tags that are there, they're not wrong so they shouldn't be removed but they're not doing anything. It can be informative sometimes if you don't know a copyright so you can go "oh they're sisters, hot" unless it's a needless spoiler without context, like if two characters are revealed to be siblings in the final episode and all sex pictures of them are retroactively incest.
Whatever, just no implications or aliases with these kinds of tags please. I'm convinced collection tags (like oral) are useless and shouldn't exist. No siblings, just sisters, brothers, brothers_and_brother if you want to use them.
In case you're not exactly seeing what I'm calling 'collection tags' let me explain, I'm talking about tags that are wholly composed of posts of subtags of that tag and are far too inclusive to be useful. Submitted for your approval, the tag "clothing", you should obviously never use it, instead you use t-shirt or skirt or socks or whatever. If every article of clothing implied clothing it would be useless. That's why they should be tag groups. Case in point, Tag Group:Attire.
One notable exception is animal_ears. In a perfect world it would be a collection tag made of all ears tags. But the inherent ambiguity of animal ears makes this near impossible. The most flagrant example would be Horo, all of her animal_ears posts have the wolf_ears tag, which is correct beyond a doubt, but wolf_ears can be completely indistinguishable from fox_ears or cat_ears sometimes, these tags can be completely dependant on context, the only common link is the animal_ears tag. Another situation I've been faced with before is not having a clue which animal the ears were supposed to be of, good thing animal_ears was there to save the day.
I understand your point about collection tags, but I still think siblings is useful. For example, I might want to find cute pictures of siblings hugging each other or the like. AFAIK it isn't possible to do a search like "(~sisters ~brother_or_sister ~twins) hug order:score" so without the siblings tag I'd have to do three separate searches.
The biggest problem with just using sisters or brother_and_sister instead of siblings is that most people who tag a post as twins will neglect to tag it as either sisters or brother_and_sister, so if you do any kind of search involving siblings you'll miss most posts with twins.
