Opening this topic as a result of topic #18756, to give it more visibility.
Basically, because of kemono friends, there are a shitload of one-character extremely specific animal ear/tail tags that are never searched and only used by a few people. There's no point in keeping these tags when the equivalent *_girl/*_boy tags exist.
Their lifetime is something like
one user decides to add quagga tail or some other ridiculous tag to a handful of posts of a specific Kemono Friends character (or a character from another kemonomimi-focused anime)
it's only added by selected overzealous taggers and never used by anyone else, and it gets like 10 searches a week
it stays forever in limbo, basically as padding and equivalent, much inferior search for a specific character
Given that these tags are basically half dead is I propose we make a policy of just nuking them whenever they show up, using instead the equivalent *_girl/*_boy tags.
To recap, I think all the specific animal _ears/_tail tags in the lower double digits that are equivalent to just searching for a specific character or copyright could just be merged into their *_girl/*_boy equivalent. Obviously this topic does not touch the major tags like cat/bunny/cow/mainstream animal tags. Those will never be mergeable into a single _girl/_boy tag simply because they are too popular. But we can easily just get rid of lynx tail (7 searches), moose tail (8 searches) or hyena ears (18 searches).
You'll immediately notice there's tags like cougar ears or nilgai_tail (a nilgai is a cow, but clearly the tagger felt it deserved its own tag) with just one post. These can safely be nuked without even thinking twice imo.
I'd be in favor of the nuclear option and getting rid of all the *_ears and *_tail tags in general and just merge them into their respective *_girl *_boy equivalent, but that's not happening any time soon, specially with the amount of gardening and cleanup it would require for the larger tags.
I'd be in favor of the nuclear option and getting rid of all the *_ears and *_tail tags in general and just merge them into their respective *_girl *_boy equivalent, but that's not happening any time soon, specially with the amount of gardening and cleanup it would require for the larger tags.
Cat_ears and dog_ears for all the headbands and hoodie variants too (and some mechanical ones). Cow ears also appear semi-often in headband form, especially as part of a cow print bikini cosplay.
To recap, I think all the specific animal _ears/_tail tags in the lower double digits that are equivalent to just searching for a specific character or copyright could just be merged into their *_girl/*_boy equivalent. Obviously this topic does not touch the major tags like cat/bunny/cow/mainstream animal tags. Those will never be mergeable into a single _girl/_boy tag simply because they are too popular.
Agree. +1 for nuking ears and tail tags of very specific and non-relevant animals.
nonamethanks said: A good place to start to find these useless tags is this (tails) or this (ears).
There are even specific pokemon ear/tail tags. They should be nuked as well imo.
Agree. +1 for nuking ears and tail tags of very specific and non-relevant animals.
There are even specific pokemon ear/tail tags. They should 100% be nuked as well.
Yeah, those 1-post tags can just be put into pokemon_tail, which already has a couple hundred posts. Probably the only one worth keeping is pikachu_tail/pikachu ears.
Agree. +1 for nuking ears and tail tags of very specific and non-relevant animals.
There are even specific pokemon ear/tail tags. They should be nuked as well imo.
Pikachu ears could be possibly be retained because of cosplays and hoods. Then again, having pikachu_hood, pikachu costume and then pikachu_(cosplay) on top seems little... excessive. Can't find any pikachu_ear headbands yet. There's also Pichu ears, for that matter (though at least Raichu's also gets folded in).
Pikachu ears could be possibly be retained because of cosplays and hoods. Then again, having pikachu_hood, pikachu costume and then pikachu_(cosplay) on top seems little... excessive. Can't find any pikachu_ear headbands yet. There's also Pichu ears, for that matter (though at least Raichu's also gets folded in).
You know what's funny? Before you linked it there was only ONEpichu ears search in the past 7 days. These tags were a mistake.
Speaking of, pokemon ikazuchi_(kancolle) and raichu pun has some examples of Ikazuchi wearing a Raichu hoodie or wearing Raichu ears and tails (as a pun her name)... but nearly every single one (if not all) of those examples are not tagged raichu_ears/pichu_ears. Pokemon_ears/tails are also rarely seen. They just use raichu_(cosplay).
Guess taggers half a decade ago were far more sensible...
Edit: I think part of it could be because of the upload page having the x/20 count and smiley face icon. Which is supposed to encourage people to tag more completely, but it also causes people to pad tags just to meet the imaginary 'quota'. Prolly lead to "canon tagging" too; older posts don't seem as susceptible as newer ones.
Pops up semi-often whenever a character named "Taiga" is involved (because of the pun). Sometimes just appears as an aura around the character's head when they're pissed.
There's also the cosplay headband variant, though some of them can be hard to distinguish from cat_ears if not for the tiger print on the rest of the costume.
Speaking of, pokemon ikazuchi_(kancolle) and raichu pun has some examples of Ikazuchi wearing a Raichu hoodie or wearing Raichu ears and tails (as a pun her name)... but nearly every single one (if not all) of those examples are not tagged raichu_ears/pichu_ears. Pokemon_ears/tails are also rarely seen. They just use raichu_(cosplay).
Guess taggers half a decade ago were far more sensible...
Edit: I think part of it could be because of the upload page having the x/20 count and smiley face icon. Which is supposed to encourage people to tag more completely, but it also causes people to pad tags just to meet the imaginary 'quota'. Prolly lead to "canon tagging" too; older posts don't seem as susceptible as newer ones.
This kind of padding existed far before those counters. Several years ago we had to nuke things like individual wristwatch colors, so it's definitely a user problem, not a site problem.
To recap, I think all the specific animal _ears/_tail tags in the lower double digits that are equivalent to just searching for a specific character or copyright could just be merged into their *_girl/*_boy equivalent.
Definitely agreed on this.
Would be less sure about those in the hundreds or thousands. Though I personally think that a decent chunk of them are probably unnecessary anyway and are likely equivalent to searching for the respective character tag. Or a few character tags, for related species, but they should probably all get tagged *FOOANIMAL*_girl anyway.
For Serval the "ringleader" in particular... after checking around with some searches... seems like Serval (Kemono Friends) herself is an iconic enough character for character from multiple different copyrights to wear "fake serval ears", some of them with visible headbands too. serval_ears fake_animal_ears has a few of these. The ears themselves are also distinctive enough to distinguish them from other feline ears. So serval_ears probably should be retained... even though nearly every single one of the posts are going to be Serval with a few White Serval and Extra Serval (and who-knows-what-other-servals-frankly-I-stopped-caring) examples thrown in.
In any case... delving through all the KemoFri examples to figure out what would be superfluous and what might have one or two or three exceptions floating around is definitely not going to be tanoshii. Workload will be sugoi though.
Hmm... might as well err on the side of caution a bit and keep the tags in the hundreds and thousands around for now?
I actually think serval ears/tail should be nuked too. There's 5 posts under serval_ears -kemono_friends, it's basically three different general tags just for a single character. Just merge them all into serval_girl and nothing will be lost.
Especially since these tags have thousands of posts and yet get very few comparative searches.
I actually think serval ears/tail should be nuked too. There's 5 posts under serval_ears -kemono_friends, it's basically three different general tags just for a single character. Just merge them all into serval_girl and nothing will be lost.
Especially since these tags have thousands of posts and yet get very few comparative searches.
Related, post #2860106, where Kongou is wearing the serval-earred headband and a serval tail. This one is tagged serval girl, though it might not be entirely appropriate because the headband is still a bit visible if one looks.
As for which *_ears tags to keep, I feel like any animal that is well-known enough to have fake_animal_ears or some other non-biological-ear imitation of it should have its *_ears tags kept. Under serval_ears -kemono_friends we have post #3334020, which I really really would not want to tag as serval_girl.
As for which *_ears tags to keep, I feel like any animal that is well-known enough to have fake_animal_ears or some other non-biological-ear imitation of it should have its *_ears tags kept. Under serval_ears -kemono_friends we have post #3334020, which I really really would not want to tag as serval_girl.
Tagging things because of canon and not because of look is exactly how we ended up in this mess.
I'd argue in that specific post it makes more sense to tag the character as serval_girl but not serval_ears, because it's supposed to be inspired by a serval and yet the traits look nothing like one. It's more of a very distant personification.
It seems a bit inappropriate to force them into _(cosplay) if it's just a serval-earred hairband that is not currently being worn though. They aren't cosplaying (yet), per se. Especially since this will also auto-imply serval_(kemono_friends) when she isn't in there. Would having serval_(kemono_friends) tagged be appropriate in post #2835735 and post #2835732 when there's just a serval-earred hairband? That isn't being worn?
Tagging the humanized Serval (post #2765371) as cosplaying as herself also feels a bit weird. Overall, the color theme is there, but the clothes and ear shape (and lack of fur trim) are markedly different. I suppose one can make a case that those would be cat_ears instead of serval_ears instead, but the headband ears still have those serval-like color markings.
There's is another related post (explicit!)—post #4335230, though I suppose tagging that one as "autocosplay" feels a bit more appropriate (identical costume, if anyone else is wearing those clothes it would be a slam dunk cosplay tag).
Then there's post #3709364 and post #3880634, with a melanistic ("black") serval-earred hairband in both, so definitely not cosplaying as Serval, though both posts are admittedly kinda moot because Serval herself is also present in both (so all those serval_*FOO* tags will be tagged anyway).
It seems a bit inappropriate to force them into _(cosplay) if it's just a serval-earred hairband that is not currently being worn though. They aren't cosplaying (yet), per se. Especially since this will also auto-imply serval_(kemono_friends) when she isn't in there. Would having serval_(kemono_friends) tagged be appropriate in post #2835735 and post #2835732 when there's just a serval-earred hairband? That isn't being worn?
They're clearly referencing serval from kemono friends by cosplaying with the hairband. That's how we would tag any other character. Take post #4553939 for example, imagine if we used shantae hair for this post. Or shuten douji horns for post #4175957.
For all the other posts you linked, using serval_ears is just noise. You already can't find these posts at all among all the various serval_ears posts unless you use pretty long searches, given that the character is already tagged anyway, so it won't make a difference if you're trying to find them among the cosplay tag instead.
Serval is Kemono Friend's Saber-face type character. There's a bunch of "Serval, but green!" type characters that are recolors, even more so than Saber's "evil" versions. It's why when I bring it up I do -kemono_friends, not -serval.
They're clearly referencing serval from kemono friends by cosplaying with the hairband. That's how we would tag any other character. Take post #4553939 for example, imagine if we used shantae hair for this post. Or shuten douji horns for post #4175957.
Those are being worn though. Some of the fake serval ears examples just have the headband being held. Would someone holding a Shantae wig or Shuten Douji horns necessitate their respective cosplay and (autoimplied) character tags? Especially if it's being held by a third party? With said third party trying to chase down another character who is running away to avoid wearing said ears/wig/horns, so even the possibility of cosplay is up in the air?
post #2835732 and post #2835735 are like that. I mean, yes, one can look ahead in the series to find out that she failed to run away, but by this point this is longer "tag what you see", but "tag what you predict" or "tag based on future spoilers". Not to mention that post #2846715, post #2856152 and post #2860106 don't really look like serval_(kemono_friends)_(cosplay) either, because it's just the ears and the tail, with the rest of Kongou's costume unchanged. It could be, for example, a cosplay of any of the other KemoFri Servals, or even just a generic serval cosplay. We only assume it's serval_(kemono_friends) in particular because of meta knowledge, that is, veiled mentions of Kemono Friends earlier in that pool series (with names censored for comedic value), and knowledge that serval_(kemono_friends) is currently the most prominent "Serval Girl" character, so if anyone is doing a serval cosplay, it is likely to be her and not any other servals.
nonamethanks said:
For all the other posts you linked, using serval_ears is just noise. You already can't find these posts at all among all the various serval_ears posts unless you use pretty long searches, given that the character is already tagged anyway, so it won't make a difference if you're trying to find them among the cosplay tag instead.
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serval_ears fake_animal_ears. 2-tag search. Same for most of the other *FOOANIMAL*_ears tags when trying to find fake, "worn" versions of them.
