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BUR #5975 has been approved by @evazion.
create alias police_baton -> truncheon
create alias nightstick -> truncheon
Haven't heard the term truncheon before, and police baton will make it easier to find for many. Nightstick is an alternate term that I'm sure many people are familiar with.
Reverted BUR to original alias to truncheon, my bad.
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Was fine with the previous police_baton to truncheon alias. But reversing it leads to polluting baton as mention by ion288. It can also tempt people into suggesting a baton implication later down the line.
Overall... truncheon is the BrE term (especially when referring to the club-like cudgels introduced in Victorian England and used all the way up to the nineties nearly unchanged), night stick is the AmE term, while baton is the generic term... which would have been fine if it weren't for all the other batons all thrown in together with baton. Putting police_* does disambiguate it somewhat, but having police_baton as the primary tag will tempt people into tagging baton, especially for the tonfa-like ones (which are technically considered a type of baton in real-life, but on Danbooru we don't seem to, possibly to avoid further polluting baton).
So, vote changed to meh.
Guess I gotta throw a wrench into this...
Most of those images are just tonfas being held by someone in uniform. There're actually a fair amount of tonfa pictures, post #3459099 for example, that are tagged with both.
Truncheon as it is now is more or less a search for "police ~baton ~tonfa". Basically, any time a stick is held by someone in a uniform, like post #2547963 and post #4110687, it gets tagged truncheon. Which is a bit weird.
Veradux said:
Guess I gotta throw a wrench into this...
Most of those images are just tonfas being held by someone in uniform. There're actually a fair amount of tonfa pictures, post #3459099 for example, that are tagged with both.
Truncheon as it is now is more or less a search for "police ~baton ~tonfa". Basically, any time a stick is held by someone in a uniform, like post #2547963 and post #4110687, it gets tagged truncheon. Which is a bit weird.
Ok, the first example is clearly wrong.
Ive been trying to clean out the baton tag since its used for any medium to short roundish stick. We could conceivably split truncheon between tonfa and club but I would really prefer if we could avoid using baton.
The bulk update request #5975 (forum #189487) has been approved by @evazion.
I want to say that I think these names are terrible. There were ~800 searches for baton, ~100 searches for tonfa, ~80 searches for truncheon in the last 7 days. It doesn't help anyone when we take a common term and split into a couple of different tags nobody has ever heard of.
I think we should instead use the baton tag for truncheons, as I imagine that's what most people know them as. And maybe imply tonfa to baton as well.
Note that truncheon right now says it's for tonfas used by police officers. Why even keep the tags separate then?
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BUR #6017 has been approved by @evazion.
create alias truncheon -> baton_(weapon)
create implication baton_(weapon) -> weapon
I think this is the most sensible option, per my previous post. I don't think anyone will ever be able to tell the difference between batons and truncheons, and if we want to keep t-batons searchable separately they should still be searchable under the baton tag. If the concern is about ambiguity, it makes more sense to make a baton (weapon) tag than to get rid of "baton" as a term altogether, given its popularity.
I would ask that we dont implicate tonfa to baton_(weapon). There are (fantasy BS) weapons with tonfa grips but bladed/sharp ends.
post #2547963 being just one example.
ion288 said:
I would ask that we dont implicate tonfa to baton_(weapon). There are (fantasy BS) weapons with tonfa grips but bladed/sharp ends.
post #2547963 being just one example.
We could... disambiguate those to tonfa_blade, or a catch-all tonfa_grip tag (and maybe sidehandle_grip aliased to it later if there's enough examples), perhaps? Leaving tonfas for the actual sticks and freeing it up for implication?
Would require some gardening to move those out though.
The bulk update request #6017 (forum #189712) has been approved by @evazion.
Ok, so I looked at the tonfa tag to see how many bladed tonfas were there, because I was doubtful there were enough to justify making a separate tag, and I was surprised to find many of them.
Some examples:
I think there are enough cases to justify a bladed_tonfa tag. The question is however whether we want bladed_tonfa to imply tonfa, or tonfa to imply baton_(weapon). These two options seem mutually exclusive. Thoughts?
There are also some... weirder 'tonfa' cases like post #1022759, post #920352 and post #738063. Then there's this strange... mecha tonfa cannon thingy. Not sure if it's worthwhile to dilute a potential bladed_fonfa/tonfa_blade tag to include those though. Maybe just group them all under tonfa, avoid the tonfa -> baton_(weapon) implication, and proceed with a bladed_tonfa -> tonfa implication.
Assuming we go with this, we can spin off additional tonfa 'subtags' later if those 'unconventional tonfas' get enough depictions to justify their own tag, though currently I don't think any of them are necessary (other than bladed tonfas).
(Though, on that matter, tonfa_blade might make it easier for people to find the tag when typing, though the name is less correct and potentially misleading since it might be taken to refer to the blade itself and not the entire weapon.)
Edit: Weird 'tonfas' (some currently tagged tonfa) that are neither batons nor blades:
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