BUR #10565 has been approved by @evazion.
It was moved and deprecated instead of aliased
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BUR #10565 has been approved by @evazion.
It was moved and deprecated instead of aliased
The bulk update request #10565 (forum #213915) has been approved by @evazion.
BUR #43043 is pending approval.
At the time I supported the BUR because I felt, surely, no one could misunderstand what 1koma could mean. Since then, we've had topic #23117 and other discussions on-site and in the Discord about how, yes, people could very much misunderstand what it means, especially with people still thinking that the *koma tags are literally intended to be for the amount of panel a post has, despite that never being the case. This alias validates that thought, so it should be removed.
Damian0358 said:
[...] especially with people still thinking that the *koma tags are literally intended to be for the amount of panel a post has, despite that never being the case. [...]
What? I'm really confused by this. *koma tags are meant for the amount of "boxes" (panels) a page has, right? 1koma wiki says that it can be used for comics with a single panel per page, implying that you can tag 1koma in a comic divided in multiple posts with one panel, as long as there is a "box" in them (which is a contradiction with the second paragraph of the wiki btw).
Right now, tagging post #5899021 as 1koma makes sense because 1koma is a general tag describing the content of a post: a one panel page. Imagine tagging post #5899021 without looking at parents/pools, most likely you would tag 1koma.
If rather, 1koma is meant for the amount of panels a comic has, then it sounds like 1koma should be a meta tag instead of a general tag. We also have other comic related tags that should be meta tags like segmented comic, splash page and two-page spread; these go against the definition of what a general tag is by tagging based on outside knowledge and instead describing beyond the content of the image itself, which is what a meta tag does. There is an antecedent of this with doujinshi.
Maiguel said:
What? I'm really confused by this. *koma tags are meant for the amount of "boxes" (panels) a page has, right? 1koma wiki says that it can be used for comics with a single panel per page, implying that you can tag 1koma in a comic divided in multiple posts with one panel, as long as there is a "box" in them (which is a contradiction with the second paragraph of the wiki btw).
Right now, tagging post #5899021 as 1koma makes sense because 1koma is a general tag describing the content of a post: a one panel page. Imagine tagging post #5899021 without looking at parents/pools, most likely you would tag 1koma.
That would be the case if they were *panel tags, but the fact that their names are *koma highlights that it's actually more than that. Using 4koma as the example here, the wiki lists post #244234, post #1562176, and post #7408591 as examples of 4koma, but explicitly does not list something like, say, post #9207359, where it has four panels but does not fit the conventions of 4koma. The *koma tags are, in effect, explicit comic format tags as opposed to literal comic panel tags. If this logic applies to 4koma, so too does it to 1koma, which makes 1koma a self-contained comic (so you are correct that there is a contradiction in the wiki with its invoking of 'per page', which I've now removed, due to its ambiguity in phrasing).
If rather, 1koma is meant for the amount of panels a comic has, then it sounds like 1koma should be a meta tag instead of a general tag....
I'll put aside your point of whether or not some comic tags should be meta tags, and ask a simple question here: who would search for the amount of panels in a comic page? Because the people mistagging the *koma tags as *panel tags would certainly not be, they would just be using it as tag padding on the same level as tagging that same comic's font ala forum #336881, because they don't even read comics and don't care to consider what might be needed to tag them properly (topic #30094).
Maiguel said:
What? I'm really confused by this.
1koma wiki says:
The comic must be self-contained in the one panel.
We have segmented comic and splash_page where there are posts with just one panel, but those aren't self-contained.
Damian0358 said:
That would be the case if they were *panel tags, but the fact that their names are *koma highlights that it's actually more than that. Using 4koma as the example here, the wiki lists post #244234, post #1562176, and post #7408591 as examples of 4koma, but explicitly does not list something like, say, post #9207359, where it has four panels but does not fit the conventions of 4koma. The *koma tags are, in effect, explicit comic format tags as opposed to literal comic panel tags. If this logic applies to 4koma, so too does it to 1koma, which makes 1koma a self-contained comic (so you are correct that there is a contradiction in the wiki with its invoking of 'per page', which I've now removed, due to its ambiguity in phrasing).
I'll put aside your point of whether or not some comic tags should be meta tags, and ask a simple question here: who would search for the amount of panels in a comic page? Because the people mistagging the *koma tags as *panel tags would certainly not be, they would just be using it as tag padding on the same level as tagging that same comic's font ala forum #336881, because they don't even read comics and don't care to consider what might be needed to tag them properly (topic #30094).
I see, thank you for explaning. I don't mind removing the alias now that the wiki is updated, I changed my vote.
I still think that there are some tags that should be moved to meta (not the *koma tags, though) but that's a discussion for a different topic.
Maiguel said:
I still think that there are some tags that should be moved to meta (not the *koma tags, though) but that's a discussion for a different topic.
The only thing I'll say is consider whether or not the comic tags in question imply comic. If they do, then they cannot have their categories changed because we don't allow cross-category implications (which means either arguing that comic should be a metatag or unimplying them from the tag they should fall under as to change their category).
