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The bulk update request #11424 has been rejected.
create implication coyote_ears -> animal_ears
create implication animal_ear_fluff -> animal_ears
Coyote ears are a type of animal ears …and you can't have animal ear fluff, without animal ears that they are in.
1: The tag is animal_ears, not animal_ear.
2: Posts such as post #4944509 feature distinct animal_ear_fluff; however, we do not tag actual animals' ears with animal_ears. As such, the second implication should not be approved.
The bulk update request #11427 has been rejected.
create implication coyote_ears -> animal_ears
I've edited ear to ears.
…and I'll create a separate bulk request, without the fluff implication.
From animal ears:
The following tags implicate this tag: alpaca_ears, bat_ears, bear_ears, beaver_ears, bird_ears, boar_ears, cat_ears, cow_ears, deer_ears, dog_ears, fake_animal_ears, ferret_ears, fox_ears, gazelle_ears, giraffe_ears, goat_ears, hamster_ears, hippopotamus_ears, horse_ears, jackal_ears, jaguar_ears, leopard_ears, lion_ears, monkey_ears, moose_ears, mouse_ears, otter_ears, panda_ears, pig_ears, rabbit_ears, raccoon_ears, rhinoceros_ears, sheep_ears, squirrel_ears, tamandua_ears, tapir_ears, tiger_ears, weasel_ears, wolf_ears, and zebra_ears
Why should coyote_ears, be any different?
The question would be: "Are coyote ears distinct enough to be tagged, instead of using dog_ears or just animal_ears?", we've nuked some other tags for similar reasons like topic #18773
I don't particularly care that much about that, but feel that I must point out that coyotes are not dogs. (except in the broader sense, in which wolves, foxes, and jackals are dogs …which is not the usual sense, that the word "dog" is used in)
Also coyote girl has 655 posts, coyote ears 744, and coyote tail 330.
That said, it seems to be mainly just two characters, that account for the coyote-tags: coyote (kemono friends) and hakui koyori, so…
I could see why you might wanna nuke it.
The bulk update request #11424 (forum #217614) has been rejected by @evazion.
As mentioned above, the issue with coyote ears is that it's used exclusively for two characters and you would never be able to identify something as coyote ears without knowing the character. This is the same problem we had before with serval/caracal/lynx/ocelot ears (see topic #18773, topic #18756), except this time for canines.
So either imply animal_ears, or nuke it. (tagging all currently tagged posts, as dog ears …which isn't exactly right, but as close as can be managed, without its own tag)
I don't mind which one gets implemented, but one of them should be
…and until/unless a BUR for its nuking gets proposed, I see no reason to oppose my second BUR.
This bulk update request is pending automatic rejection in 5 days.
I believe there should be a clear difference between kemonomimi mode and animal ears. Kemonomimi mode would imply explicitly when characters who don't normally have any animal-like features (such as ears or a tail) are depicted with animal ears, bottom, and/or a little fur.
There are two areas where animal ears are usually placed. On top of the head and on the sides of the head (where a human's ears would be).
The first type is much easier to accessorize with fake_animal_ears but is anatomically incorrect. The inverse is valid for the second type. The first type is most likely to have extra_ears. For the second type, "extra ears" usually mean a redundant accessory. Moreover, if said ears are not accessories and are part of the character itself then said character should have the tag animal ears without adding the tag fake_animal_ears.
As for ears go, we need to keep them separate according to their respective tags such as cat ears, tiger ears, horse ears, etc.
This bulk update request has been rejected because it was not approved within 45 days.
The bulk update request #11427 (forum #217621) has been rejected by @DanbooruBot.
The bulk update request #12227 has been rejected.
create alias coyote_ears -> dog_ears
create alias coyote_tail -> dog_tail
create alias coyote_girl -> dog_girl
create alias coyote_boy -> dog_boy
Thus, this BUR is fomented.
For those who may be concerned:
Barely half a percent of the tag is not a vtuber (who are frequent victims of canon tagging) or coyote_(kemono_friends). Hakui Koyori, the vtuber in question, is over 75% of the tag.
Either way, I'mma have to go through the coyote tag itself later because it's full of those two characters. Without the animal present.
Veradux said:
For those who may be concerned:
Barely half a percent of the tag is not a vtuber (who are frequent victims of canon tagging) or coyote_(kemono_friends). Hakui Koyori, the vtuber in question, is over 75% of the tag.
I'll have to disagree. Coyotes aren't dogs. With that logic, wolf ears, wolf girl, and wolf boy should all be under dog tags as well.
As for the rest of this thread: Why is there a weird bias against animal tags being created? Some people search for these specific animals and enjoy seeing characters of them. And so what if it's all "two characters," the fact it exists in the first place should say enough.
Canon tagging isn't a bad thing, and you can always go through the posts and fix them if you're really bored.
This reminds me of topic #19934, in which people decided.... animals aren't animals, so animal ears shouldn't implicate animal ears.
sadodere said:
I'll have to disagree. Coyotes aren't dogs. With that logic, wolf ears, wolf girl, and wolf boy should all be under dog tags as well.
As for the rest of this thread: Why is there a weird bias against animal tags being created? Some people search for these specific animals and enjoy seeing characters of them. And so what if it's all "two characters," the fact it exists in the first place should say enough.
Canon tagging isn't a bad thing, and you can always go through the posts and fix them if you're really bored.
This reminds me of topic #19934, in which people decided.... animals aren't animals, so animal ears shouldn't implicate animal ears.
Please keep your comments to one post if you can.
Would you prefer coyote ears to be aliased to wolf ears? Because that would be entirely fair.
There's nothing wrong with coyote being a tag. The problem is that people are tagging the character a coyote. Not coyote ears, tail, etc. As in the literal animal. We don't tag cat on a cat girl when there isn't a literal cat in the image.
The "weird bias" you're spotting is that we're against pointless tag bloat related to animal ear tags caused by needlessly specific character profiles. Most typically, it's vtubers and kemono friends. If Hakui Koyori was not listed as a coyote girl in her bio, would anyone tag her as one? If an animal character cannot pass that simple test, there's no reason for a tag to be made of the animal in question.
Doubly so when said vtuber has a third of her images not tagged coyote ears despite them being plainly visible.
Your last comment is a complete and total misreading of what happened in that topic. Nobody decided that "animals aren't animals", it was an observation that a lot of those tags are pointless and shouldn't be reinforced.
Veradux said:
Would you prefer coyote ears to be aliased to wolf ears? Because that would be entirely fair.
No, I'm only pointing out that your logic is kind of flawed there. Coyotes aren't dogs or wolves. One could say that wolf ears and dog ears are similar, and it would be the same argument, wouldn't it?
There's nothing wrong with coyote being a tag. The problem is that people are tagging the character a coyote. Not coyote ears, tail, etc. As in the literal animal. We don't tag cat on a cat girl when there isn't a literal cat in the image.
That isn't what I meant, though? I'm not saying people should tag the actual animal. I'm saying people shouldn't mistag characters when it comes to what animal they are. If Hakui Koyori wanted to be a dog girl, she would make her character a dog girl. Maybe a new tag like canine girl, canine ears, etc. can exist for animals like coyotes and other lesser-used animals on here...? But that could also be complicated.
Your last comment is a complete and total misreading of what happened in that topic. Nobody decided that "animals aren't animals", it was an observation that a lot of those tags are pointless and shouldn't be reinforced.
The tags weren't pointless. That's what I'm trying to say here. Why should anyone willingly mistag a character?
And here:
zarlan said:
The bulk update request #11427 has been rejected.
create implication coyote_ears -> animal_ears
I've edited ear to ears.
…and I'll create a separate bulk request, without the fluff implication.
Notice how most people voted yes, but it was still rejected. How is that fair at all?
accidental reply or something im confused how this happened, ignore this one
Tags are based mostly on visual details. There is no need to have tag for every animal species' ears when a lot of them are indistinguishable form each other. Tagging coyoye ears as dog_ears is not mistagging, it's a compromise that needs to be made in order to not have ultra-specific tags that only apply to a couple of characters. These compromises are common to all types of tags, not just animal-related.
dog_ears effectively works as canine_ears (and yes, wolf_ears are also very similar to most dog_ears and may or not be aliased in the future, but it's probably protected by its age and being associated with a lot of classic characters).
