Both should probably be nuked. We aren't a meme repository.
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I've always understood it as thus: subtitled means that it's a cap with subtitles, regardless of what they say. fansub implies that there's a mistake in the translation or presentation (language errors, typos, etc). Ideally fansub should implicate subtitled and probably cap too.
For the record, I don't think they should be nuked. Subtitles aren't memes, and some are pretty humorous/interesting. Like anything else their validity should only come down to image quality.
Kayako said:
I've always understood it as thus: subtitled means that it's a cap with subtitles, regardless of what they say. fansub implies that there's a mistake in the translation or presentation (language errors, typos, etc). Ideally fansub should implicate subtitled and probably cap too.
That's a weird understanding. They're the same thing. Subtitled/subtitles/subtitle is the better of the two. We do not need a fansub-subtitle implication.
RaisingK said:
That's a weird understanding. They're the same thing. Subtitled/subtitles/subtitle is the better of the two. We do not need a fansub-subtitle implication.
That's incorrect. Just because something is subtitled doesn't mean it comes from a fansub, it could come from an official sub. The only way to really tell if it's a fansub at a glance is if there are mistakes, because it's not likely that an official translator would make such errors.
Of course, since a good portion of subtitled images currently uploaded are the 'silly-mistake' type, I wouldn't be against just aliasing fansub to subtitled.
RaisingK said:
I don't see the need to make this distinction in the tags.
Ditto. We already have poorly_translated for bad fansubs, and there are some images which are clearly fansubbed, but not necessarily bad translations (post #207036 comes to mind). Get rid of fansub and make subtitled the default for any images with subtitles.
I always saw fansub as describing images related to the fansubbing community. On danbooru those probably fit pretty well into subtitled comparison or subtitled poorly_translated, I suppose.
Some posts like post #124458 and post #16355 seem to lend themselves to the fansub tag, but they are easily covered by translation_note or poorly_translated, and "official" subtitles can be wrong too (post #239588). I would be fine with an alias.
jjj14 said:
and "official" subtitles can be wrong too (post #239588).
I agree with you in general but a bootleg HK sub is not "official". The site linked in the comments makes a case about the audio, at least.
Updated
If it's a joke about a poor translation in subtitles, use poorly_translated. Note that I don't encourage uploading such things.
If it's just noting that the image has subtitles, use subtitled.
fansub is an unnecessary tag. The only image that would fit the "about fansubbing" concept is post #221665 which doesn't even seem relevant to danbooru anyway.
fansub was started off used for something where the subtitles were correct and intentionally funny (or incorrect and unintentionally funny). Now people have added a few boring posts (post #241553) just because they happen to be fansubs, but you still might as well track amateur vs official translations...
I have a few bad official translations but they tend to be missed idioms or otherwise badly-written literal translations, which aren't at all interesting.
jjj14 said: So was there ever any decision reached on this?
Well discussion kind of died off but I still stick by my interpretation that we should simply use "subtitled". So go by that if you want.
Logically it should only apply to subtitles on a video, because if it's a manga or the like, that's simply a hard_translation... And if it's just random English text shopped onto an image, that's simply a "needs to be unapproved", I'd think.