Deprecate some R34-style fetish tags

BUR #20458 has been rejected.

deprecate forced_lactation
deprecate excessive_lactation
deprecate forced_orgasm
create alias veiny_nipples -> veiny_breasts

These tags were mostly made and gardened by one user on a bit of a spree. They're all either hyper-specific fetish tags only found on deleted images and have been manually nuked before or can be found through two (or even one) tag searches.

1 and 4 has merit for uniqueness and actual use (their creator should get gold or smt). 1 has a strong eroge presence even if game_cg isn't popular here anymore. 4 has actual use because veiny_breasts is incredibly useless as you have to zoom in and raise brightness to actually see anything and it would serve purpose to people who can't handle more hardcore fetish art (like this one: post #6401406) so they can blacklist them. So no, veraducks, I disagree.

I don't see an issue with forced orgasm? It's a specific kink and a common hentai trope.

The_Bob said:

I don't see an issue with forced orgasm? It's a specific kink and a common hentai trope.

Yeah, and I didn't even make the middle ones, they just came up, when I added the 1st one to applicable uploads and saw they also happened to fit, they're probably years old, kinda shows how important getting rid of some tags actually is. These kinds of BUR's (and some pools) only go along because some users find it discomforting *insert soyjak*.

Forced_lactation seems like it could be helpful for images where the man is literally squeezing the milk out of her since milking is aliased to lactation and can't be used for the action. Currently it just seems to be lactating while bound or raped so it would need to be cleaned though.

Excessive_lactation is terrible and I can't even see that much of a difference between the tags in it and lactation

Forced_orgasm it is just rape + vibrator. Maybe they could be combined? Definitely doesn't need to exist.

Veiny_nipples is grotesque enough that I'd want to be able to theoretically blacklist it based on the images in the tag.

zetsubousensei said:

Veiny_nipples is grotesque enough that I'd want to be able to theoretically blacklist it based on the images in the tag.

I think it's important to note the history of veiny nipples. It's been manually nuked twice, once by a Builder and once by an Admin. Its current iteration seems to be the third attempt by Bionicman to sneakily create it by only tagging it on horrifying deleted images. It used to be on many more images, several of which were not grotesque.

Bionicman76 said:

So no, veraducks, I disagree.

My name is Veraducks, not 岩戸鈴芽.

zetsubousensei said:

Forced_lactation seems like it could be helpful for images where the man is literally squeezing the milk out of her since milking is aliased to lactation and can't be used for the action. Currently it just seems to be lactating while bound or raped so it would need to be cleaned though.

We have hand_milking

Forced_orgasm it is just rape + vibrator. Maybe they could be combined? Definitely doesn't need to exist.

Check forced_orgasm -sex_toy. It's not just rape -vibrator, as bob said it's a pretty common and well established trope, though it seems like someone might have done a pretty good job polluting it.

Veiny_nipples is grotesque enough that I'd want to be able to theoretically blacklist it based on the images in the tag.

More than anything this just makes me realize that we don't have a distinction between ordinary visible veins, and bulging veins, that I could find anyway.

blindVigil said:

We have hand_milking

Check forced_orgasm -sex_toy. It's not just rape -vibrator, as bob said it's a pretty common and well established trope, though it seems like someone might have done a pretty good job polluting it.

I can't believe we don't separate milking cows and milking girls. Thanks, I guess we don't need forced lactation

As for the second part, removing sex_toy brings up a ton of images I would just consider rape for instance post #231612 and post #1240503 are just vaginal images and I don't see what warrants the forced_orgasm tag. post #2359653 and post #3505917 are just fingering. I see the wiki specifies being bound or sex_machine images, but I don't know why you wouldn't search for those tags + female_orgasm.

Veraducks said:

I think it's important to note the history of veiny nipples. It's been manually nuked twice, once by a Builder and once by an Admin. Its current iteration seems to be the third attempt by Bionicman to sneakily create it by only tagging it on horrifying deleted images (defamation). It used to be on many more images, several of which were not grotesque (incorrect).

Honestly I forgot I created those the first time around, and I was new at the time and thought that the problem was not correlating with enough posts, which I went and fixed. Efforts were not appreciated either way. And I went on hiatus in between so I doubly didn't remember.

blindVigil said:
More than anything this just makes me realize that we don't have a distinction between ordinary visible veins, and bulging veins, that I could find anyway.

I suggested it a year ago but that got nowhere.

Btw, I didn't create excessive lactation it was already there (highlighting how much its deletion actually matters). Get your facts straight before you start a nuremberg trial, vera.

Bionicman76 said:

Btw, I didn't create excessive lactation it was already there (highlighting how much its deletion actually matters). Get your facts straight before you start a nuremberg trial, vera.

I don't know what beef you have with me, but it needs to stop. Especially since it's causing you to double-post, post in wrong threads, and shadowbox me in threads I hadn't even posted in. I didn't make this BUR, if you haven't noticed, and you called me out the first reply.

Veraducks said:
I don't know what beef you have with me, but it needs to stop. Especially since it's causing you to double-post, post in wrong threads, and shadowbox me in threads I hadn't even posted in. I didn't make this BUR, if you haven't noticed, and you called me out the first reply.

You suggested it in the first place, don't play coy man, and then made someone else start the BUR cause you didn't want to argue with me (which they jumped on because I'm not exactly super popular here, which I get), and you are opposing (not that there's anything wrong with that inherently) in both my unique pool and tags. Also you treat things here like its a strict office meeting where everything must be perfect, it should be a friendly image blog community where we don't necessarily like all tags but don't want to incinerate them on sight either. I don't want to beef with you in the first place, you are one of my most reliable approvers.

Bionicman76 said:

... unique pool and tags.

The problem with the unique tags is that in practice that means it's just hyper-specific, usually fetish tags you would find on R34/E621(-style boards), and this is simply not how Danbooru does tagging. The same goes for pools.

岩戸鈴芽 said:

The problem with the unique tags is that in practice that means it's just hyper-specific, usually fetish tags you would find on R34/E621(-style boards), and this is simply not how Danbooru does tagging. The same goes for pools.

Eh, it kinda was like that back in the day, I wouldn't create anything I didn't already see in official (as in not fan-made, official makes it sound like hentai is government approved first, lol) Japanese media.

The purpose of tags is to identify distinct concepts so that they can be searched or blacklisted. "hyper-specific" is not an argument against a tag if the concept can't be easily searched (or hidden) without it.

I think forced orgasm at the very least should stay. The rest of these (forced lactation... what?) seem kind of hard to quantify. Like, what is the normal amount of lactation in hentai?

Downvoted, because looking at excessive lactation I can see uploads that would fall under that tag that are more than lactation. And it's a tag I would blacklist.
I wont garden it, so if it's nuked then w/e.

sabisabi said:
Like, what is the normal amount of lactation in hentai?

Typically very little, but then you have amounts with a heavy focus on it in stuff like post #402492 and post #4570691. Also we have excessive cum, and projectile lactation was approved by the big man himself, so why would this be too much of a stretch?

sabisabi said:
(forced lactation... what?)

(Non-hentai) Example 1, example 2: post #81359. Do you want more examples?

Nacha said:
Downvoted

A real shame...

Nacha said:
because looking at excessive lactation I can see uploads that would fall under that tag that are more than lactation.

Are you saying you can't see a significant difference between post #6798798 and post #268428, that's a bit concerning for an approver if so.

Nacha said:
And it's a tag I would blacklist.

K, and this is significant how? Not to mention a little counter-intuitive for an approver, its not like its bara.

Nacha cheese said:
I wont garden it, so if it's nuked then w/e.

Your effort sets a standard for us all...

Bionicman76 said:

Typically very little, but then you have amounts with a heavy focus on it in stuff like post #402492 and post #4570691. Also we have excessive cum, and projectile lactation was approved by the big man himself, so why would this be too much of a stretch?

(Non-hentai) Example 1, example 2: post #81359. Do you want more examples?

A real shame...

Are you saying you can't see a significant difference between post #6798798 and post #268428, that's a bit concerning for an approver if so.

K, and this is significant how? Not to mention a little counter-intuitive for an approver, its not like its bara.

Your effort sets a standard for us all...

You seem to have a huge lack of understanding to what I was saying.
I downvoted the BUR, because I don't think the tag should be deleted. I see a huge difference between normal lactation and excessive lactation looking at the tag. As NNT mentioned, such tags shouldn't be deleted, because you could blacklist them. And as an approver, I don't have to look at every image on this site. If I know I will never approve any scat image, why the hell should I be forced to look at it? I'm doing this in my free-time and I won't start looking at shit, just because someone is mad that their horrible image gets deleted.

Seriously, if you can't read what others are saying, you should probably not use the forum, because you're making it harder for others to write useful answers, if they have to interact with you here.

Nacha said:

You seem to have a huge lack of understanding to what I was saying.
I downvoted the BUR, because I don't think the tag should be deleted. I see a huge difference between normal lactation and excessive lactation looking at the tag. As NNT mentioned, such tags shouldn't be deleted, because you could blacklist them. And as an approver, I don't have to look at every image on this site. If I know I will never approve any scat image, why the hell should I be forced to look at it? I'm doing this in my free-time and I won't start looking at shit, just because someone is mad that their horrible image gets deleted.

Seriously, if you can't read what others are saying, you should probably not use the forum, because you're making it harder for others to write useful answers, if they have to interact with you here.

Mm, yep my bad, I saw purple and negative argument and just assumed. Actually re-reading "Downvoted, because looking at excessive lactation I can see uploads that would fall under that tag that are more than lactation. And it's a tag I would blacklist." was a little hard to read I just assumed you made a grammatical mistake. And also equated downvote=bad, so yeah, whoopsie.

Tldr: Fog of war

Edit: now I will actually be facing war trials.