Fixing NieR protagonist names

BUR #25764 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

create alias nier_(young) -> nier_(brother)
create alias nier_(old) -> nier_(father)

for context, NieR (2010) had 2 different versions, NieR Gestalt and NieR Replicant. the main difference between the two was the protagonist of Gestalt was a father with Yonah as his daughter. in Replicant (including the modern remake) the protagonist was a younger man who is the brother of Yonah instead

I don't like the current names for them since it makes it look the tags are for two different forms of the same character when they're really just two different characters that play a similar role based on game version (a la Pokemon box art legendary mons)

but more importantly the fanbase barely refers to them as "young" and "old". "Brother NieR" and "Papa/Father NieR" are what most people use to differentiate between the two. however I think the qualifiers I suggested above should be easily findable too

if this bur gets approved, "alias brother_nier -> nier_(brother)" and "alias father_nier -> nier_(father)" could be done for more utility though not really necessary

This always bugged me, to the point where whenever I was uploading I had to double check that young/old didn't just refer to the 2 time period ones in Gestalt (maybe we could use a tag for that though?)

I'm not sure if Father NieR has a significant appearance change after the timeskip (never played his version) but yeah I think a new character tag for Brother NieR timeskip appearance at least should be made

considering there's not really a clear "normal appearance" to base nier_(brother) + aged down / aged up on. unless we want to choose one and enforce it and write a note on the wiki

if this bur goes through I can populate timeskip Brother NieR with "nier_(brother)_(timeskip)", and then afterwards that should probably be made to imply "nier_(brother)". imo that should be a better approach

Maybe it's easier/more intuitive to just re-use the current terminology, so nier (brother) (young) and nier (brother) (old), one for each since there's not really a "real" or "default" one. Plus those implications, of course.

c_spl said:

I'm not sure if Father NieR has a significant appearance change after the timeskip

Not really? He gains an eyepatch. Not sure if there are any other changes.

The bulk update request #25764 (forum #278994) has been approved by @nonamethanks.

Going back to this since I put it off.

I still think we should distinguish Nier (Brother)'s older/post-timeskip and younger/pre-timeskip looks, since they're fairly different and there's currently no easy way to distinguish them. There's not really a "default" between the two - Older has more art but Younger still has a fair amount of art.

I made favgroup #42834 for all posts of his pre-timeskip / younger look
favgroup #42833 is for his post-timeskip / older look
(any pics with both of them i.e. dual persona are in both fav groups.)

I was thinking something like mass update favgroup #42834 -> char:nier_(brother)_(pre_timeskip) & mass update favgroup #42833 -> char:nier_(brother)_(post_timeskip). And then imply both of those new character tags to the existing umbrella Nier (Brother).

but IDK maybe only one of the two should get a new character tag and we can treat the other as the "default" (probably pre timeskip since it comes first in the story)

BUR #40075 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

mass update favgroup:42833 -> char:nier_(brother)_(post_timeskip)
mass update favgroup:42834 -> char:nier_(brother)_(pre_timeskip)
create implication nier_(brother)_(post_timeskip) -> nier_(brother)
create implication nier_(brother)_(pre_timeskip) -> nier_(brother)

going with my initial suggestion for now

I imagine this BUR's viability will be determined by topic #31153.

The bulk update request #40075 (forum #347750) has been approved by @nonamethanks.

c_spl said:

BUR #40075 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

mass update favgroup:42833 -> char:nier_(brother)_(post_timeskip)
mass update favgroup:42834 -> char:nier_(brother)_(pre_timeskip)
create implication nier_(brother)_(post_timeskip) -> nier_(brother)
create implication nier_(brother)_(pre_timeskip) -> nier_(brother)

going with my initial suggestion for now

BUR machine broke

Ylimegirl said:

BUR machine broke

What happened? What's wrong with the BUR?

Sometimes mass updates fail due to concurrency issues. It's fixed now.

AbsoluteRainbow said:

What happened? What's wrong with the BUR?

Dunno. Sometimes Danbooru just hiccups I think? Admins probably know the technical reasons but I assume you just gotta metaphorically smack the computer a few times (or re-approve the BUR) and it'll work. Edit: sniped