First of all a big shoutout to AngryZapdos and others who finally took the big step into solving our age-old french braid problem (topic #27108)
There're still a lot of questions following that thread considering just how many braid hairstyles there are and how confusing they can be. But that thread was already quite long and any further discussion will get pretty chunky too. So I thought instead of asking there, we can have a new thread to discuss the follow-ups the disambiguation.
I'll start. Both half up braid and half up half down braid use examples that has part of the hair braided while the rest is let loose. But there is another style of braid found under both tags, where the braid is joined into the rest of the hair to form a ponytail. (see half_up_braid ponytail and half_up_half_down_braid ponytail) This is problematic because depending on if you consider the ponytail the tail of the braid or not, it can be either tags.
Additionally, there's also a hairstyle where the tail of the braid is also braided. (post #1364847, post #5720390)
I think both need their own tags.
Also mentioning the fact that some of the characters listed as character examples don't always fit the criteria of the tag depending on the angle, artistic license or alternate hairstyle. I prefer we get rid of that section in favor of more post examples.
I don't know the percentage of actual braided buns under this tag, but they're more than I expected (4/20 on the first page). If there are too many of them we might need to manually garden it instead.
I don't know the percentage of actual braided buns under this tag, but they're more than I expected (4/20 on the first page). If there are too many of them we might need to manually garden it instead.
So it was inaccurate to call it bun with braided base on the braid wiki. I'll start by populating bun with braided base. Is it easier to garden braided bun or to deprecate it?
I've updated all related wikis and given images examples, although I don't know how much that'll help considering the current size of braided bun (and similarly braided ponytail). I hope we won't need to deprecate them 'cause I don't know what alternative names they can have (that's why I'm not requesting a deprecation just yet).
I believe this BUR should also deprecate braided_bun; as you mentioned, it's ambiguous between bun_with_braided_base and buns made out of braids. As for the latter, a good name for them would be bun-shaped_braid. It's consistent with bow-shaped_hair, and completely lacking in ambiguity.
I don't think that's a braided ponytail. Only a very small portion of her hair is tied up, it's not a ponytail. I think having more specific hairstyles tags is useful, but I'm fine with tag combinations in this case. Though if we turn it into an umbrella, the hairstyle currently tagged half up half down braid (braid with thin tail) will be harder to find. I still think the second hairstyle needs a tag, there's no way to search for it with a tag combination.
For characters like Hakui Koyori, I think creating a tag flower braid* would be most appropriate, just like how bow hair references hair shaped into a bow.
'Flower braid' is the first thing that comes into my head at seeing them.
*!!! EDIT: So I just saw after posting this that "Flower braid" exists, and it refers to a braid with a flower attached to it. What about renaming that into braid flower instead? Y'know, just like how bow hair and hair bow are two different things, chain belt and belt chain are two different things...Or would that kind of change be too problematic/confusing?
Adding to the awkwardness, in posts like post #7815841 it's almost impossible to tell at a glance if that's hair shaped like a flower, or a hair flower that's the same color as the surrounding hair.
Eh, that's true, but I don't see why that'd be problematic. (edit): You could say the same for a lot of posts in bow-shaped hair + chibi too after all.
For characters like Hakui Koyori, I think creating a tag flower braid* would be most appropriate, just like how bow hair references hair shaped into a bow.
'Flower braid' is the first thing that comes into my head at seeing them.
I think it just happens to look like a flower because it's a braided bun (by this I refer specifically to the intended use of the tag, which is a bun made out of a braid, not its current chaotic state), I don't think another tag is necessary.
Dunno, the two are kind of different (though still not sure if the 2nd shouldn't be considered a braid).
The "Incorrect" one would be achieved by splitting hair in two and just wrapping them around each other; it's much simpler to achieve but a rarer hairstyle. The "Correct" one would be achieved by splitting hair in three and weaving it in a specific way. That manner of arranging hair is much more common, I was taught it as a kid by my family, but to this day I have yet to perfect it, because it's more difficult than the simple twist. The "incorrect" one I found out on YouTube in my early teens, from a video similar to this one.
Interestingly enough, this tutorial I found just now to share the anecdote and the actual tutorial I found when I was younger both called the "incorrect" hairstyle a braid.
I have similar thoughts to kagayakushininggayte on this topic. I have always known the hairstyle in post #7542352 as a rope braid. I guess technically if it's made with less than three strands it's not a braid?
Also, this tag is a mess. A huge amount of it is just characters with loosely curled hair like post #7836717 and post #7812010, which should be wavy hair. Mixed in there are dreadlocks and micro twists which I guess are twisted but should probably have different tags: post #7824993. Plus 40% of the posts are from one guy: klavier gavin
Aerith is THE example for braided ponytail. That hairstyle is what the tag was created for.
As I mentioned in topic #27964, after inspecting someofficialarts, Aerith's hairstyle was always meant to be a twisted ponytail/rope braid, but many artists either mistakenly depicted it as a regular braid, or oversimplified it that you can't see any details.
KaGAYakuShiningGAYte said:
Dunno, the two are kind of different (though still not sure if the 2nd shouldn't be considered a braid).
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Interestingly enough, this tutorial I found just now to share the anecdote and the actual tutorial I found when I was younger both called the "incorrect" hairstyle a braid.
gfz said:
I have similar thoughts to kagayakushininggayte on this topic. I have always known the hairstyle in post #7542352 as a rope braid. I guess technically if it's made with less than three strands it's not a braid?
I'm glad there're people that know the difference.
I found out that we have twisted hair so I tried to clean it up so we can use it properly. I'm fine with calling it rope braid and even have it imply braid. I just want some sort of distinction because this is a different hairstyle and it's much more obscure. But it shouldn't imply braided ponytail because it's a type of braid, not a type of braid location, instead it should be used alongside other tags like crown braid, side braid, braided ponytail etc as a combination.
gfz said:
Also, this tag is a mess. A huge amount of it is just characters with loosely curled hair like post #7836717 and post #7812010, which should be wavy hair. Mixed in there are dreadlocks and micro twists which I guess are twisted but should probably have different tags: post #7824993. Plus 40% of the posts are from one guy: klavier gavin
I rescinded my vote on braided ponytail, because after thinking about it, it's a necessary tag.
When people want to see braided ponytales, they shouldn't have to sift through so many other subtypes of braids to find it, considering how diverse the braid tag is.
