Merge ring hair extensions and ring hair ornament

BUR #39006 has been rejected.

remove implication ring_hair_extensions -> hair_extensions
create alias ring_hair_extensions -> ring_hair_ornament

Ring hair extensions was created by an admin when I was trying to figure out how to tag Changli's hair extensions in front. Between then and now, Evelyn Chevalier and Tsukishiro Yanagi appeared on Danbooru and had similar rings in their hair - the only difference between theirs and Changli's is the size, count and not having extra hair hanging off the rings. From a discussion off the forums, ring hair ornament was the tag name we arrived at to tag Tsukishiro Yanagi with (and later Evelyn Chevalier).

These tags are now running into the exact same collision problem as floating hair ornament did with floating headgear (topic #29922) where two tags for virtually the same thing are in use by majorly only 1-2 characters. Ring hair extensions as it stands right now is by and far only used by Changli (125 posts out of ~1.7K are not her) and the other two aforementioned characters use ring hair ornament, though sometimes they also get ring hair extensions likely due to this confusion.

With the above in mind, I'm proposing to merge Changli's ring hair extensions into ring hair ornament since that is a more intuitive tag name and adaptive to both cases of having hair extensions attached to them or not. Hair extensions + twin braids + ring hair ornament alone can describe what's going on with Changli, no need to fragment the tagging for hyperspecificity.

It'd be better to implicate ring hair extensions to ring hair ornament than alias. The hair extensions tag is a dumping ground tag that should have been nuked a long time ago.

I don't agree. These are functionally the same thing if you check through the examples. Whatever's going on with hair extensions specifically is due for a completely separate topic.

The hair extensions here are braids, which makes ring hair extensions an inaccurate tag name because a ring is not a hair extension. A better tag to describe this if granularity with hair extensions is desired is braid hair extensions or so - that would make more sense to describe what this is.

Then we can agree to disagree. I see no point in killing the ring hair extensions tag. It's a very specific style/usage of ring hair ornaments, which is a different style from Evelyn Chevalier and Tsukishiro Yanagi where they use a long streamer.

Given that you're requiring that hair extensions be used as part of the mix of tags you say should replace ring hair extensions, it is not at all a separate topic. The tag is a dumping ground tag of multicolored hair, short hair with long locks, detached hair, etc. if the tag was nuked (which it should, real depictions of extensions isn't what the tag is being used for), finding the specific style of ring hair extensions would become significantly harder, especially if you're looking for something like post #8713411 that isn't part of the flood of Changli, Evelyn, and Yanagi art that will fill the ring hair ornament tag. You're too focused on Changli alone and giving no weight to the hundred plus other examples (ring_hair_extensions -wuthering_waves) you're trying to bury into an even harder search. It was those other examples besides Changli that justified a tag being made, not her alone,

I've no clue why you're suggesting a braid hair extensions tag, when you're trying to kill another tag for "hyperspecificity."

This topic has reminded me how I wish hair_rings was originally named ring-shaped_hair, so hair_ring could be for solid rings used in place of hair ties.

GreyOmega said:

I see no point in killing the ring hair extensions tag. It's a very specific style/usage of ring hair ornaments, which is a different style from Evelyn Chevalier and Tsukishiro Yanagi where they use a long streamer.

A tag that is only being used by a single character is not useful, putting aside the fact that I've already made note of how the usage of rings in the hair are the exact same besides the quantity and attachment, the latter of which should be tagged differently. The tags are being used to describe the ring itself, which is... literally just a ring in the hair. It's pointless to fragment the tagging, which is my core point.

You can "agree to disagree" but your point doesn't actually resolve any of the issues I've brought up. It's still very much an inaccurate tag name regardless of whether it gets implied or kept as-is, it is still getting mistagged and it is still effectively equal to a one-character search due to one character utterly dwarving the results, among everything else.

GreyOmega said:

Given that you're requiring that hair extensions be used as part of the mix of tags you say should replace ring hair extensions, it is not at all a separate topic.

Yes it is, go solve the dumping-groundness of hair extensions in another topic if you feel this strongly about it - this topic is specifically made to address the existence of two of the same tags for the same concept, using an existing precedent to perform the merge. However, as the tag is currently being used, they completely classify to be put under that tag as a replacement to removing ring hair extensions.

GreyOmega said:

if you're looking for something like

Come up with a better tag name then because those aren't "ring" "hair extensions" either. A ring can't be a hair extension.

GreyOmega said:

You're too focused on Changli alone and giving no weight to the hundred plus other examples (ring_hair_extensions -wuthering_waves) you're trying to bury into an even harder search. It was those other examples besides Changli that justified a tag being made, not her alone,

Only 125 examples is hardly worth a strong consideration. See topic #29922 when floating hair ornament was destroyed for floating headgear. There's a reason I'm focused on her and that's because the tag is largely all made up of her to begin with.

AngryZapdos said:

This topic has reminded me how I wish hair_rings was originally named ring-shaped_hair, so hair_ring could be for solid rings used in place of hair ties.

Same honestly. Hair rings doesn't sound intuitive to me - I've always been tempted to tag these as that instead.

Ring hair extensions are an actual IRL fashion thing, you can find a lot of pictures if you search リングエクステ, and even if Changli is dominating the tag, there's still a bunch of other characters in there. I think the tag deserves to stay.

I do know of them being a real fashion thing - that's where the design of Changli's extensions come from - but is it specifically called ring hair extensions? I'm focused primarily on the wording and the function of these tags. If so, I don't mind reversing the BUR so that ring hair extensions becomes the dominant tag name instead, but the truth of the matter is still that both of these tags are serving the exact same function and one of them needs to go because the tags as they stand now are fragmenting the tagging of this specific style (ETA: on top of everything in forum #342866 such as the mistags).

googling "ring extension" and "hair extension on a ring" predominantly yields me micro-rings, that is a type of a hair extension that is intended to be invisible. here is a youtube video of a hairdresser applying such extensions

"faux hair on a ring" yields multiple types of products:

• ring-shaped hair decorations (with no faux hair attached whatsoever)
• hair ties with small faux braids applied onto them
• large hair ties completely covered in hair, for buns
• rings with hair strands of multiple colors, aimed at hairdressers and wig vendors (for comparing strand color to client's color)

"リングエクステ" ("ringu ekusute", as nth color suggested) yields exactly the type of extensions being discussed in this topic. i have yet to find an equivalent english term

EDIT: i found some products sold under the name hanging ring ponytail. however, given those are aliexpress products, most of the product names are machine-translated

I'll concede on my hyperspecificity argument, however if I'm seeing the same thing you're seeing, these should get their own tag if they actually have any posts on Danbooru because if you advocate for these micro rings to be tagged as either of those two then you're starting to run the risk of setting a precedent of creating yet another "dumping ground" tag that builders despise so much. The tag no longer becomes useful.

Ring hair ornament loosely follows our convention for hair ornaments to be honest - there's a certain type of expectation when you get hair ornaments and those tend to be small decorative pins sitting in and around the hair. Ring hair extensions however runs into the aforementioned mistagging or misunderstanding issue that is already starting to show its horns. This needs to be clarified somehow, or merging remains the inevitable endgame for it.

well, i doubt we will ever get any posts featuring micro-rings, given they are not supposed to be visible, and that they appear to be rather niche of a form of hair extensions. i was merely trying to find what this type of hair extension is sold as (and thus, called) in english

I don't really see the point in bringing it up then if it's not relevant for Danbooru purposes. We should focus on the big solid rings which are visible and taggable.

i am mentioning what ring hair extension yields simply because some have suggested it as a potential tag name

After further reevaluation of the voting, hair extensions in general, the counterpoints made in this thread and some precedence (quite recently, regarding the acceptance of the crown-shaped pupils implication and rejection of the nuke); I'm deciding to withdraw my case of merging these together and will instead opt to garden the posts accordingly. Additionally, if necessary, I'll get the wikis updated to include examples and distinguish them from one another.

I realise that some of the things I've said are also contradictory and don't make sense both here and in comparison to other BURs I've made. Preventing tags from becoming a dumping ground is what we want and this runs the risk of doing that, notwithstanding the potential for future character designs using either of these.

The bulk update request #39006 (forum #342800) has been rejected by @WRS.