Difference between nabe and hotpot

BUR #42027 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

create implication nabe -> hotpot

Posting an update request just to put it up to a vote, though a wiki update for both tags might suffice.

I'm having difficulty distinguishing the two. Looking at their Wikipedia definitions, it feels like nabe is a subtype of hotpot (or even just the Japanese term for the same exact concept). Though looking the posts here, nabe may specifically refer to clay/iron pots whereas hotpot can include stuff like post #8821714, post #9016498, or post #9012060. Although I feel like technically they could be called nabe as well, and I'm not sure if the last one is even hotpot.

I meant to vote yes (on phone), not meh. I don’t think they should be distinct.

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create alias nabe -> hotpot

luntoer said:

Following up on topic #32097, I'm having a hard time distinguishing between nabe and hotpot so requesting an update to their wikis to make the distinction clearer.

I don't think there is a difference, at least visually as it matters to Danbooru, and that one is just the Japanese name. If we wanted to tag based on the clay pot, we would have a specific tag for the clay pot (and we don't even have a generic clay pot tag), so let's just alias them together.

Hotpot as a tag seems to have a longer history, but nabe has the older wiki, so I would suggest switching wikis upon approval.

Damian0358 said:

BUR #44581 has been rejected.

create alias nabe -> hotpot

I don't think there is a difference, at least visually as it matters to Danbooru, and that one is just the Japanese name. If we wanted to tag based on the clay pot, we would have a specific tag for the clay pot (and we don't even have a generic clay pot tag), so let's just alias them together.

Hotpot as a tag seems to have a longer history, but nabe has the older wiki, so I would suggest switching wikis upon approval.

Doesn't make sense to switch wikis because nabe is specific to one variety of hotpot. If you wanted to update the hotpot wiki, it'd be better to just list all the regional variations of hotpot like nabe, jeongol, jjigae, etc with a short blurb describing how they're distinct.

Jemnite said:

Doesn't make sense to switch wikis because nabe is specific to one variety of hotpot. If you wanted to update the hotpot wiki, it'd be better to just list all the regional variations of hotpot like nabe, jeongol, jjigae, etc with a short blurb describing how they're distinct.

It does make sense though, because as it turns out, I was wrong. Nabe does in fact have the longer tagging history (posts from before 2011 don't actually display consistently before 2011 in the post history), and looking at the tagging history for both nabe and hotpot, the two were used interchangably for decades. Hotpot in the context of Danbooru already is implicitly nabe, so switching wikis makes perfect sense. Had hotpot not gotten a wiki in 2021, we wouldn't even be talking about switching.

In addition, no one has yet specified what the taggable difference between these regional varieties are - without invoking tableware, of course. Again, we don't have a tag for "clay pot", and any invoking of regional differences via tableware would distract from the fact that the tableware itself is often not unique to those regional varieties and should be tagged for their own sake.

Damian0358 said:

It does make sense though, because as it turns out, I was wrong. Nabe does in fact have the longer tagging history (posts from before 2011 don't actually display consistently before 2011 in the post history), and looking at the tagging history for both nabe and hotpot, the two were used interchangably for decades. Hotpot in the context of Danbooru already is implicitly nabe, so switching wikis makes perfect sense. Had hotpot not gotten a wiki in 2021, we wouldn't even be talking about switching.

In addition, no one has yet specified what the taggable difference between these regional varieties are - without invoking tableware, of course. Again, we don't have a tag for "clay pot", and any invoking of regional differences via tableware would distract from the fact that the tableware itself is often not unique to those regional varieties and should be tagged for their own sake.

The tableware is visually distinctive and identifiable though. Like for example post #8335940, you would not look at this and mistake it for nabe because of the tall heatstack in the middle. If we're ignoring the tableware we shouldn't be tagging 'nabe' as its own thing because 鍋物 or nabe (pot) + mono (thing) is literally just anything cooked in one pot. The whole point of nabe is that it's only defined by the tableware in which it is cooked and served. If we don't invoke tableware there's nothing to define nabe at all because there are like a dozen regional varieties with their own style of cooking.

It would make more sense to do as Wikipedia does and define hotpot generally and then list regional varieties in the wiki page rather than just have the wiki page for hotpot define nabe and then tag images that aren't hotpot as hotpot (nabe).

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create alias nabe -> hotpot

I looked at the first few pages of hotpot -nabe and nabe, and there's minimal difference. Most people are tagging Japanese-style nabe as hotpot.

And for a good reason. Nabe is just hotpot in Japanese. Even the Chinese variant is called 火鍋 (hinabe). Putting food into a pot with broth is common in many Asian cultures, and the difference between them isn't clear because there's no rule on what has to be in a Chinese hotpot or Japanese nabe. Everything the wiki entry for nabe can apply to hotpot in general.

I'm all for including actual variants like sukiyaki as separate tags in the wiki, but trying to distinguish nabe is a bit ridiculous.

edit: post #10300400 shows what I mean perfectly.

aquamarin said:

BUR #51508 has been rejected.

create alias nabe -> hotpot

I looked at the first few pages of hotpot -nabe and nabe, and there's minimal difference. Most people are tagging Japanese-style nabe as hotpot.

And for a good reason. Nabe is just hotpot in Japanese. Even the Chinese variant is called 火鍋 (hinabe). Putting food into a pot with broth is common in many Asian cultures, and the difference between them isn't clear because there's no rule on what has to be in a Chinese hotpot or Japanese nabe. Everything the wiki entry for nabe can apply to hotpot in general.

I'm all for including actual variants like sukiyaki as separate tags in the wiki, but trying to distinguish nabe is a bit ridiculous.

edit: post #10300400 shows what I mean perfectly.

There are depictions of hotpost that are pretty visually distinct from nabe, particularly those with soup base dividers like post #10024912 or smokestacks like post #9016498. Nabe is a form of hotpot, but not all hotpot is nabe, hence the implication rather than the alias.

Jemnite said:

There are depictions of hotpost that are pretty visually distinct from nabe, particularly those with soup base dividers like post #10024912 or smokestacks like post #9016498. Nabe is a form of hotpot, but not all hotpot is nabe, hence the implication rather than the alias.

Why aren't those tagged seperately?

The bulk update request #51508 (forum #401791) has been rejected by @nonamethanks.

Probably because nobody has gotten around to it yet. Be the change you want to see in the world.

Jemnite said:

There are depictions of hotpost that are pretty visually distinct from nabe, particularly those with soup base dividers like post #10024912 or smokestacks like post #9016498. Nabe is a form of hotpot, but not all hotpot is nabe, hence the implication rather than the alias.

Japanese would call those (hi)nabe too, but sure, go ahead if you want to make a separate tag for Chinese hotpot. We can assume "nabe" in danbooru refers to Japanese style specifically.