I've always held that colored skin is for when the whole skin is a different colour, not just the hands, because otherwise what use is colored extremities? I've been removing such applications of tags to my posts but as shown above, they just get readded all over again, so I want to table a discussion about the use of colored skin and colored extremities and hopefully avoid a tag war where we don't sit down and discuss if tags are being applied right.
Mainly, the question is - should we really be using colored skin on posts like the above, and if so, then what exactly is the point of colored extremities? Red skin on just the arms being coloured feels weird. While the wiki does mention "type of colored skin", colored extremities doesn't imply colored skin and I feel that's the case for a reason.
i think the two should be separate. if people want to search for extremities of a certain color, we already have the color_limb tags e.g. black hands, red feet.
Mistags notwithstanding, something like post #9325880 is still colored extremities, despite being greyscale. Just because we can't see the specific color, we can see they're a different color.
Mistags notwithstanding, somethjing like post #9325880 is still colored extremities, despite being greyscale. Just because we can't see the specific color, we can see they're a different color.
Yes that is my exact point. I don't think they should be implied because I don't think that should be colored_skin but it absolutely should be colored extremities.
Honestly it just feels kind of pollute-y to me since I would expect that most people wanting to search for different skin colours would expect to see everything a different colour. Possibly similarly related is how I brought up a BUR regarding objectification and character doll but applying the same logic I got a weird undecipherable response that I later worked out to mean "yeah technically it is but they're meant to describe very different things so they shouldn't go together".
I feel like every single time I'm confused about a tag's usage or think that it would be used a specific way, it happens to be wrong every time. Tags are hard on Danbooru. I start to sympathise a bit with people who mistag (blatant mistags excluded) or people who are too scared to add or create a tag to a post. Probably should just stick to the basics or just follow how other people do it and avoid having opinions on tags myself.
I think a core point that I missed in bringing this up without following up on it is, why does it count as colored skin. Is that just because that's what the wiki says or is this a "well obviously"? Calling back to my objectification vs character doll argument from before that it feels like we're applying two different lines of logic but it may just be the angle I'm looking at it from and my understanding versus what actually applies. The BUR's voting also tells somewhat of a story but I get the greyscale argument. Just because it doesn't have colour, doesn't mean you can't tell something is obviously meant to be a different tone.
In the discussion of objectification and character doll, the argument against adding both while trying to clean up another tag was that "character doll is implicitly objectification so it doesn't need to be added or implied"; and that while on a technical level they describe the same state of being, the reason they aren't together is because they're meant to show different things (an otherwise general object like an SSD bearing the resemblance of a character like their hair slapped on top versus a doll that still bears the human-like resemblance of the character).
So I'm confused where that logic doesn't apply to colored skin vs colored extremities, or why we wouldn't want them to be different. It makes less sense to me than the earlier example of body fur and Felicia (Darkstalkers) (forum #386493). At least in that case, we sufficiently understand that fur tags are clearly for humans with fur because animals just intrinsically have fur (obviously excluding hairless ones) so the tag helps find kemonomimi mode or similar that have fur instead of just simply having the animal ears and tail of an animal. Why then do we not apply the same for colored extremities?
Should someone who's searching for red skin seriously expect to find characters without red skin? The exclusion is a two tag search as colored_skin -colored_extremities. I'm curious where this consensus was reached, and why we don't consider otherwise. That's my mistake for not prodding, since the people who are saying it does count haven't said anything beyond "it does because it does" (nothing against Zappy and Gex, but usually when they have opinions on tags I just tend to follow those since they're the strongest proponents of their viewpoints). Do we want to change the status quo or is it fine? What does the dichotomy solve besides just "must categorise everything (in this case, where the multicolored skin is)?
Alright then I'm going to resume how I've been tagging this before until an actual consensus or proper reason can be given why both apply in a post with full colours on it per my earlier posts.
Colored skin means the whole body is colored, not just the hands. Same way you don't tag tanned characters as pale skin just because their tanlines are pale. Once again this is uploaders interpreting tags in the most literal way possible to maximize tag count instead of tag quality.
