alias twitter_username -> x_(website)_username

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tapnek

BUR #54299 has been rejected.

create alias twitter_username -> x_(website)_username

For formality reasons. Now that Twitter is now referred to more properly as X here, I suppose we do the same with some tags here, starting with this one.

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BUR #54307 is pending approval.

create alias x_username -> twitter_username

don't agree with the main bur, but is there any interest in doing it the other way around?

chopping off the (website) qualifier, shouldn't be ambiguous because there's only one major social media site people think of when they hear "x".

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Damian0358

zetsubousensei said in forum #416515:

Would be more proper to deal with Twitter first if we're doing this.

I still think X is an imprecise and ambiguous name.

That wouldn't resolve the issue of what to use in place of just X in the derivative tags like this. Twitter is easy, since we not just have X (website) as an alias since topic #32586, we could go with x_(social_media) per forum #370755 or x_(microblog) per Mastodon (microblog). But what do we do with Twitter username, Bad Twitter ID, Twitter screenshot, etc..?

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zetsubousensei

Damian0358 said in forum #416557:

That wouldn't resolve the issue of what to use in place of just X in the derivative tags like this. Twitter is easy, since we not just have X (website) as an alias since topic #32586, we could go with x_(social_media) per forum #370755 or x_(microblog) per Mastodon (microblog). But what do we do with Twitter username, Bad Twitter ID, Twitter screenshot, etc..?

My assumption is that whatever the main tag gets changed to it informs the rest of the tags. For instance if we change the main tag to X_(website) I don't think the OP BUR is a ridiculous proposal anymore because they will match. That clunky language would just be the standard for the copyright at that point.

Also add tweet and twitter verified checkmark to the list of tags that would also need to change if we move towards this tagging.

Edit: To expand on some thoughts. "X" by itself is often used as a variable, when I write I often use it as a stand in for any number of things. If I wrote x_username the first assumption would be that it is placeholder text for any type of username. So while I do think that if they are all changed to just "X" the standard user would be able to find out what they are for, especially if they are cohesive across all tags, I'd rather qualify it with whatever ends up being used for the main tag for clarity purposes.

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Damian0358

zetsubousensei said in forum #416559:

My assumption is that whatever the main tag gets changed to it informs the rest of the tags. For instance if we change the main tag to X_(website) I don't think the OP BUR is a ridiculous proposal anymore because they will match. That clunky language would just be the standard for the copyright at that point.

By that logic, to justify x_username, the tag would have to be just X, which is a deprecated tag since topic #32634. And I think everyone here agrees that we are not doing just X, but also that no one wants the Twitter derivative tags to have qualifiers in them.

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WRS

Alixiron said in forum #416534:

Honestly it was quite an unneeded change in the first place tbh. If everything was fine with twitter links why bother with x which is gonna require a lot of adjustments

What is "a lot" of adjustments? They've already been made, the only thing left is the tags' names. Twitter links now normalise to x.com so there's no need to change them on your part for older uploads and for newer uploads they will be set to it, icons have been updated and intent links are now user ids which means you won't get blasted in the face by a "follow this user" prompt if you go to a Twitter profile from a user id instead of a handle link.

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zetsubousensei

Damian0358 said in forum #416560:

By that logic, to justify x_username, the tag would have to be just X, which is a deprecated tag since topic #32634. And I think everyone here agrees that we are not doing just X, but also that no one wants the Twitter derivative tags to have qualifiers in them.

To make my stance crystal clear this is exactly why I oppose any change from the "Twitter" names, they are inherently less percise.

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Alixiron

WRS said in forum #416564:

What is "a lot" of adjustments? They've already been made, the only thing left is the tags' names. Twitter links now normalise to x.com so there's no need to change them on your part for older uploads and for newer uploads they will be set to it, icons have been updated and intent links are now user ids which means you won't get blasted in the face by a "follow this user" prompt if you go to a Twitter profile from a user id instead of a handle link.

The occasional times you have to check intent urls is nothing compared to this headache unless these are all going to be ignored

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WRS

Here might be a more complete list of all pages containing links to Twitter. In my opinion, it's fine to leave legacy mentions alone or just keep calling it Twitter until we have formal policy or consensus about using X/X (formerly Twitter)/whatever when it comes to linking accounts. That's really a pretty trivial thing when the main change was just about updating source normalisation and artist links.

Multi-source commentary doesn't need to be changed just because of this, that's not your problem. That in itself shouldn't be a point of concern here - Twitter aside, you're already dealing with the potential of an outdated or moved link when you're including something with a handle in a text field like that. If you're not losing sleep over changed handles in multi-source commentary (which you shouldn't be anyway), you aren't losing sleep over whether it's called Twitter or X in the commentary either, be it as a link or because that's what the artist wrote.

The same goes with the tags with Twitter. Artist tags and character tags are easily fixable and most of those are probably poorly named, I don't know if anyone has actually bothered to go through them - also not an issue. The only thing to take note of here are meta and general tags, and even then, why do they need to be adjusted? Even the topic acknowledges it as purely a formality and not a need.

Until unless admins say policy is to start referring to it as X, these aren't really relevant concerns.

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ANON TOKYO

Alixiron said in forum #416575:

The occasional times you have to check intent urls is nothing compared to this headache unless these are all going to be ignored

None of those require any change whatsoever, nobody said that everything must be changed to use x.com links under threat of punishment. Only if Twitter URLs actually stop working will we need to change anything, the current change only affects the automated parts of the website's extractors. Artists were updated because rewriting to the new intent format was on the cards anyway.

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