Danbooru

Image queue after upload limit expires.

Posted under General

Not the mod queue, in case anyone ask.
http://trac.donmai.us/ticket/1272
For details, see that ticket. I'm not sure if I should make this thread for the ticket (doesn't seem so, from what I saw). Though, my main reason for this thread is to see everyone discuss about this anyway.

This is my first time creating a new ticket on Trac, so there might be mistakes. Also, I can't find a similar ticket or thread about something like this.

Updated by Shinjidude

How is this "priority: major" if you're just suggesting a feature?
Also I don't think this would be a good idea, since some people use up all their upload slots on poor quality pictures, and presumably they would learn from their unapproval to upload better ones, and this "feature" could result in just putting more bad quality posts onto the site instead of getting better.

TLDR: it's bad to require even less thought to post images.
(Hope this post makes sense)

jjj14 said:
How is this "priority: major" if you're just suggesting a feature?
Also I don't think this would be a good idea, since some people use up all their upload slots on poor quality pictures, and presumably they would learn from their unapproval to upload better ones, and this "feature" could result in just putting more bad quality posts onto the site instead of getting better.

TLDR: it's bad to require even less thought to post images.
(Hope this post makes sense)

I had no idea what priority it should have.

This feature shouldn't get like that, since it's essentially something like a timer for uploading new stuff. It's the same as normal uploading, except you don't have to come back and find the source and tag it again when an upload slot get freed up. It'll require the same amount of thought to post them, as you still need to tag them and such. Then the post get in the warehouse, waiting for shipping or killing.

Well, you did say "TLDR". And this post isn't any shorter.

Wait, it is.

rantuyetmai said:
I agree with jjj14 that this feature is not a good idea. It makes the upload limit nonexistent. The waiting period is when you learn what is acceptable and what is not.

Can you elaborate on how the feature will make the upload limit nonexistent? I never quite understand the reason for the limit.

Cyberia-Mix said:
Preventing newly registered users to flood the mod queue with crap.

Yes, I know that, but doesn't this queue still works with the upload limit? I mean, queued posts only get uploaded when any slot is freed, so isn't it the same as you uploading the picture right then?

Ph.D said:
Yes, I know that, but doesn't this queue still works with the upload limit? I mean, queued posts only get uploaded when any slot is freed, so isn't it the same as you uploading the picture right then?

The problem with your idea is that it circumvents the whole point of upload slots. The reason that you only get a limited number of slots is so that you don't upload a whole bunch of pictures that you mistakenly believe are up to Danbooru standards. Say you want to upload a large doujinshi which is of sub-par quality. You upload the first 5 pages or so, which sit in the mod queue for 3 days and are then deleted. The desired effect is for you to say, "Hm, I guess I need to lurk more to get a better idea of Danbooru's standards." But with what you propose, the system would just upload the next 5, and so on and so on until all your slots were depleted due to deleted uploads and you can't upload anything more, ever.

It's not a bad idea in theory but in practice new users would queue 40-50 posts and then complain about not having any upload slots after they're all deleted. It might be nice for the more veteran users who are forced to use the queue (Action Kamen, nanami, MrGT) but I believe they have all had their limits upped manually or have enough retroactive posts to kill the need.

Log said:
It might be nice for the more veteran users who are forced to use the queue (Action Kamen, nanami, MrGT) but I believe they have all had their limits upped manually or have enough retroactive posts to kill the need.

MrGT currently has 3825 slots. Even being the posting machine that he is, I doubt he'd ever hit that limit in 3 days.

But with what you propose, the system would just upload the next 5, and so on and so on until all your slots were depleted due to deleted uploads and you can't upload anything more, ever.

Strangely enough, I thought of that problem but didn't think it would be that bad, since there's the post appeal thread and I thought there should be at least one or two posts that get approved. Then that thread will get flooded.

Isn't there that mandatory lurking period when I couldn't post comments after signing up? I don't quite remember about the lurking period thing, but can't the same be applied to posting images?

Well, this idea is going to the trashcan. I totally thought this would works with the limit.

Coconut said:
MrGT currently has 3825 slots. Even being the posting machine that he is, I doubt he'd ever hit that limit in 3 days.

I believe the upper limit is 20 or 40 without manual intervention or at least it used to be. The system may compensate for someone who's been demoted to member or something but either way it shouldn't be anywhere near that on it's own.

Ph.D said:
Isn't there that mandatory lurking period when I couldn't post comments after signing up? I don't quite remember about the lurking period thing, but can't the same be applied to posting images?

It already is, 7/10 days.

Ph.D said:
Isn't there that mandatory lurking period when I couldn't post comments after signing up? I don't quite remember about the lurking period thing, but can't the same be applied to posting images?

There already is: new users can't upload anything for 1 week after signing up. But as has been demonstrated time and time again, users consistently upload things that are of crappy quality and will never get approved even if appealed. It just goes to demonstrate the absolute truth of a certain rule of the internet: "Lurk moar. It is never enough!"

Ph.D said:
Well, this idea is going to the trashcan. I totally thought this would works with the limit.

Don't feel bad about it. Contributing ideas is never a bad thing, even if they're not accepted.

Ph.D said:
What about restricting the feature until a member gets to, say, 30 or 40 in limit? Or is it too much work for not enough gain?

It still has the same problems, even if they're somewhat mitigated.

Here's one idea that could possibly make it work though: if any one of your posts in the mod queue is deleted, your upload queue is entirely canceled. That way the queue only moves forward if all the pictures are accepted. Actually, thinking about it, it doesn't sound like too bad an idea with that addition.

But, it would still be non-trivial to implement, and there are a lot of other important things that need to happen more than this.

Ph.D said:
Yes, I know that, but doesn't this queue still works with the upload limit? I mean, queued posts only get uploaded when any slot is freed, so isn't it the same as you uploading the picture right then?

Even without the issue of permanently losing your ability to upload, if you sign in and immediately queue 50 wrong posts, they're going to enter the mod queue sooner or later.
If you're blocked after the first ones and see they weren't approved or were manually deleted, janitors+ hope you got the message and won't upload the 40 next wrong posts you intended to, so they never have to review them.

The upload limits are, at least somewhat, designed so that users are forced to think carefully about what they intend to upload. Being forced to take the extra time needed on checking sources, tagging, and finally uploading each individual image also forces users to spend more time in the "Stop! Think about what you're doing before you click that button!" phase, and that is a good thing for the site overall. Furthermore, uploaders also have to see their remaining upload slots dwindle as they upload, knowing that if their uploads are not accepted, the number of slots they will have the next time around will be fewer.

An automated uploading queue like this would reduce that impact, since users would only have to load potential uploads into the queue, and then forget about it.

Another downside would be duplicates. While a user's upload queue is waiting to post an image, some other user might come along and post the same image before the queue gets around to posting it. What happens then? I doubt it would have the kind of robustness necessary to duplicate the Find Similar function.

sgcdonmai said:
Another downside would be duplicates. While a user's upload queue is waiting to post an image, some other user might come along and post the same image before the queue gets around to posting it. What happens then? I doubt it would have the kind of robustness necessary to duplicate the Find Similar function.

I thought of that. Supposedly, the post would get deleted from the queue, but I have no idea how the queue can use the Find Similar function. Can't it borrow that function for a bit? I don't think it would need to be duplicated entirely.

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