Is there a easy way to just mass tagging them? Since umbrella+tatara_kogasa would with very few exceptions be an oriental_umbrella a way to tag all images with those two tags (and going back after to double check) would be much faster then one at a time (69 pages).
Is there a way to do that? I checked the wiki but might have not been looking in the right place.
Mods can do mass tag edits, but who knows when one of those crazy cats'll be around. I got a lot of free time though, so I'll tag script my way through it. This looks like the better way to go anyway. A mass edit seems like it might be overreaching in this case.
Yeah, tag scripts are probably the quickest solution for non-mods when you can identify the relevant characteristic from the thumbnail alone.
I do wonder about some of the posts getting tagged oriental_umbrella, though. post #416662, for instance, has paper folds, but also has a very prominent curve, which is not a usual feature of Japanese/Chinese umbrellas. Should it really be tagged that way?
Yeah going through a few pages this is gonna need a lot lighter touch than a mass edit. I mean like half of these look more like a cross between an eggplant and umbrella than an oriental umbrella.
I do wonder about some of the posts getting tagged oriental_umbrella, though. post #416662, for instance, has paper folds, but also has a very prominent curve, which is not a usual feature of Japanese/Chinese umbrellas. Should it really be tagged that way?
I manually tagged a few and I also thought about that as well. Does the change of shape (to fit the eggplant theme) make it too subjective?
As seen in post #416348, the umbrella doesn't even have a supporting wooden frame. No wonder it was discarded there's a "curve". No, I wouldn't tag it oriental_umbrella in this condition.
On a side note, karakasa means paper umbrella. Wouldn't kasa_obake be a better tag for the monster? Wikipedia is pretty inconsistent with '-', ' ' and ''. It suggests a '-' for kasa-obake but not for chouchin'obake.
S1eth said: On a side note, karakasa means paper umbrella. Wouldn't kasa_obake be a better tag for the monster?
Good point. karakasa_obake seems to be the preferred form (it's the article name on Japanese Wikipedia), so we need a karakasa->karakasa_obake alias.
S1eth said: Wikipedia is pretty inconsistent with '-', ' ' and ''. It suggests a '-' for kasa-obake but not for chouchin'obake.
FWIW, I would always separate them with a space. お化け is a separate word in Japanese, and there is usually a script change from kanji to hiragana between the first word of the compound and お化け, so I strongly suspect Japanese people parse the compounds as two distinct words; i.e. "lantern monster", not "lanternmonster".
glasnost said: Good point. karakasa_obake seems to be the preferred form (it's the article name on Japanese Wikipedia), so we need a karakasa->karakasa_obake alias.
From what I can tell, the Japanese Wikipedia article name is actually karakasa-kozou.
ShadowbladeEdge said: Mods can do mass tag edits, but who knows when one of those crazy cats'll be around. I got a lot of free time though, so I'll tag script my way through it. This looks like the better way to go anyway. A mass edit seems like it might be overreaching in this case.
Just as a side note, if no mods are around (and I'm lucky to get a chance to do a forum sweep even once a week these days, my real job has been insane), you can generally catch me on dmail much more frequently than that (I usually check in at least once a day). That said, don't necessarily dmail me for things that can wait until I see the forums. It's more for spam/trolling/flamewars/abuse/vandalism etc.
At any rate, I agree mass edit would have been a bit much here.
As for hyphens versus spaces (vs single word), we have no set rule since it's not a clear enough issue to establish one. In this case, I guess my first instinct would be to hyphenate but it wouldn't be something I feel strongly about.
Glasnost, if karakasa just means paper umbrella, wouldn't an alias to, essentially, a paper umbrella monster (karakasa_obake) be a bit much? Unless we never plan to use karakasa and wouldn't want to alias it to some umbrella tag?
jxh2154 said: Glasnost, if karakasa just means paper umbrella, wouldn't an alias to, essentially, a paper umbrella monster (karakasa_obake) be a bit much? Unless we never plan to use karakasa and wouldn't want to alias it to some umbrella tag?
I suppose it would. Do you suppose it's too populated to mass edit at this point without breaking subscriptions/subverting expectations?
zatchii said: From what I can tell, the Japanese Wikipedia article name is actually karakasa-kozou.
Derp. This is correct. (I still do think any potential move should be to karakasa_obake, as it is, based on my own observations on Pixiv, the more popular term.)
glasnost said: I suppose it would. Do you suppose it's too populated to mass edit at this point without breaking subscriptions/subverting expectations?
Mmm... well, I just did a karakasa -touhou and it went from 46 pages to 4 images (!!!) so I think it's one very specific (albeit large) group of people making use of this tag, i.e. Touhou fans. It's easier for one group to switch gears than some nebulous "the whole site", I think.
On the other hand I assume we're just going to use "paper umbrella" for paper umbrellas, rather than karakasa, so at 900+ posts... yeah I'll alias it. I know it's not technically "correct" but in reality I doubt anyone is going to be negatively affected by it. And we can always clarify in the wiki as needed.
