Tagging "shota but not really" pics

Such as post #973575. This is shota for the purposes of "I like shota, I want to be able to find it", but it's not shota in the sense that we'd want to block anyone from viewing it, since it's perfectly wholesome. How should we tag such pictures? I went with child for now, but that doesn't really feel right either.

Would trying to have subcategories for child tag be helpful? Just an example but like child_(boy) and child_(girl)? It might seem odd, but I have questioned whether we didn't really need such a division, given that we effectively do that with having the shota and loli tags to begin with.

Personally I think child male is fine.

Except you wouldn't tag such an image male if you had a female character also in it. The male tag has restrictions on it that do not make it a great substitute for all situations on this matter.

I didn't say it was the best, I said it was fine. The tags you suggest are better, well the ideas are the names are eh, but I don't think they're better enough to for all the work they'll entail.

perhaps safe shota?

ROMaster2 said:
perhaps safe shota?

Trying to figure out some way to tag it as "shota, yet safe enough to not be hidden" is the entire problem, since putting in the shota tag normally means there's questionable content and automatically blocks it from Member view.

He was suggesting a tag not a query.

Oh, I see, my bad.

I think they'd want some way to avoid calling it "shota" at all, in that case. Considering the term as it's used for tagging suggests questionable content tacking "safe" to it kind of becomes an oxymoron, and may suggest an otherwise wholesome picture has questionable undertones.

On the chance that they decide to go with that, it'd require a female equivalent in "safe loli", right?

Well, we have the old_man and old_woman tags; how about using young_boy/young_girl, or little_boy/little_girl?

jjj14 said:
Well, we have the old_man and old_woman tags; how about using young_boy/young_girl, or little_boy/little_girl?

I like that idea. I prefer young boy/young girl if we go this route.

sgcdonmai said:
I like that idea. I prefer young boy/young girl if we go this route.

This is fine.

sgcdonmai said:
I like that idea. I prefer young boy/young girl if we go this route.

Made an initial wiki for both. One question is, should we distinguish between those and child, or should rather imply child?

I have mixed thoughts on either route. I'd say the easiest approach, and probably the most sensible would be simply implicating them to child. Given that there is some blurring already between the child tag and the shota/loli tags, the border between young_boy/young_girl and child would be even grayer and potentially very subjective if we tried to distinguish them.

On the other hand, I also wouldn't mind being able to look through a tag that simply contained children with no sexual undertones of any sort. I did once try and do that with the children tag right after child more or less became "safe loli/shota" and was flooded with those sorts of images, before children was aliased to child.

With the creation of tags distinguishing between young boys and young girls, is the child tag necessary anymore? There's no tag like "old person" to go along with old_man and old_woman, after all.

Though I suppose it's unreasonable to try and replace all the existing child tags with the new ones on an case-by-case basis...

Just some things to also think about is that we typically maintain master tags, regardless of whether or not the subtags under it successfully divide up and cover all the images.

Another thing to think about is the possibility of a child that belongs to neither gender. I don't think we have any images like that, at least in the safe category, but move up into at least the loli tag and you do start coming across things like futanari (see loli futanari -futa_on_female). We also have to consider androgynous children in which it could be either, and the gender is not known (there are a few results on child androgynous).

NWF_Renim said:
Another thing to think about is the possibility of a child that belongs to neither gender. I don't think we have any images like that, at least in the safe category, but move up into at least the loli tag and you do start coming across things like futanari (see loli futanari -futa_on_female).

This is a bad example, as child is defined to be safe.

We also have to consider androgynous children in which it could be either, and the gender is not known (there are a few results on child androgynous).

But that's a valid point, a strictly binary system is unlikely to work in practice.

I wouldn't say it's that bad of an example, it does goes to show that a binary system such as with loli/shota that because there doesn't exist a middle ground that things like futanari that would in other cases be considered a "third gender" is forced into one of the two categories because the intermediate does not exist.

Additionally, despite the fact child is defined as rating:s there does exist 39 pages under child rating:q, and even one page of child rating:e. Just glimpsing what is in that one page listed as rating:e, I could at least understand the use of the child tag for some of them instead of using the shota or loli tag.