The artist requested the images to be removed, and we are to honor it. Yes. But it doesn't mean we should sit with undeserved and untrue accusations. Especially the statement that we don't credit the artist name when Danbooru does everything to make it clear that the images do not belong to Danbooru, and show who the artist is.
And I mean it in both ways. Defending ourselves against the artist's misunderstanding of Danbooru should be done, but please refrain from making overly severe retorts towards the artist. No matter what Danbooru does to protect the rights and interests of the artists, it should be understood that we can't expect the artists to know it. We have nothing to gain by being angry. Not just in this issue, not just regarding Danbooru, but in whatever situation we're in.
To MichWing: Your anger at having your images posted here is understandable and Danbooru will definitely honor your request no matter what. That said, please be aware that no one is trying not to remove your art, angry at you, or claiming that it is 'okay' for us to post your work here. Danbooru respects the artists' rights and interests, but we do prefer rational talks nonetheless.
While I can understand the frustration of the artist using a lot of misconceived ideas about us, it seems to me that the artist has already firmly made up their mind and no real amount of arguing will change that. The general direction of this thread from my view has already gone past what was necessary and gone into a direction that will not accomplish anything.
I think it would be best to lock this thread, because this thread has already achieved its purpose of informing us that the artist what's his/her work removed. Furthermore it would seem to me that due to the artist not knowing how danbooru operates, s/he is going to just use this to drum up drama on their blog and to get attention. The artist from my perspective is already misrepresenting us in their blog and continuing this thread to me seems it will just give more material for the artist to spin to however they want it.
I agree. It cannot be helped that everyone on the web is rational enough, and any argument that does not immediately agree with the artist's can easily be misinterpreted as an opposition. As is happening already.
In that aspect, I wonder if anything can be done to resolve this. This incident made it clear what publicity can make us look like (because few will bother coming to Danbooru and reading our policies to find out more about Danbooru, but just read the artist's argument and get a wrong image about us), and we may want to prevent any misconceptions to the fullest.
Seconding NWF Renim, UnderneathTheWaves, etc. We have a policy of honoring artist's take-down notices. It's not our place to belittle them for it or try to convince them otherwise. We do try to add value to a work by adding metadata, and by policy, attribute and link to the artist wherever possible, but the work belongs to the artist and if he/she doesn't like what we are doing with it, it's only right for us to take it down without dispute.
EDIT: I'm probably overstepping my authority as a Janitor here, but since he posted this thread on his own blog, there is more than sufficient evidence he is who he says he is. I've taken down his images for him. Albert will probably need to add him to the banned artists list, as I don't think I have the ability to do that.
"I will no longer be posting my work anymore. Like many other good artists, my work is being stolen, sold and bought and no credit is being handed to me. I work hard and try to incorporate meaning in my work. How is it fair by people just saving and re-posting, they receive money and credit for my work? I know it is on the internet but I hate that excuse. It is a huge slap in the face for any artist. Just because people are going to steal images does not make it okay. I clearly state ON EVERY SITE I POST no one is allowed to use my work. So why is it being posted by people other than me? Because I am not a major artist that it is okay to simply take my work. And whats worse is people are becoming angry with me because I do not like my work being stolen."
Lick_King said: This incident made it clear what publicity can make us look like (because few will bother coming to Danbooru and reading our policies to find out more about Danbooru, but just read the artist's argument and get a wrong image about us), and we may want to prevent any misconceptions to the fullest.
Agreed, especially after the 'premium account' accusation. This should be explained, as well as the need for ads. Basically, the purpose of bonus extras and ads are not much different from what dA and Pixiv is doing. The ads cover continuous server funds, while paying for extra features is just that. No one here is paying for artwork and Danbooru is not profiting from it.
It's always a shame to remove part of this database, but what can be done when the one who expressed something also expresses where to express it?
Then again, it is perhaps because of this thread that I'm aware of this artist at all, aside from cursory glances of the artist tag on those posts. And I certainly would have never known of this artist had it not been for this unsanctioned "mirror" of sorts.
The biggest loss, though, may be Mich Wing's sheltering of his future work behind the closed doors of password protection, due to a lack of trust and, honestly, respect from the public eye.
I do hope, though, that one day, creations could be inextricably linked to their creators, so that no matter where hosted, an artist will always be known with their art. Dunno if, or at least when, technology would be able to assure this credit to the degree that no artist need fear the theft or degradation of their work.
I did immediately realize I overstepped the boundary and edited it. Especially when I'm the one who said we shouldn't make overly severe retorts. I apologize for being irrational. Shame on myself.
Oyi, I don't like the idea of a gallery site being the cause of an artist going into seclusion. I would like the MichWing to understand that gallery sites are not out there to hurt her/him, discredit or profit from their work, and I do apologize if some of the comments here seem hostile.
People like to spread art talent, as many artists have various links and its hard to keep track of their most active post. ^_^;; Though I am confused about how giving credit was misinterpreted as stalking. That is how Danbooru give others awareness to who created the artwork for an upload. And also, if one is using a sites service (such as Tumblr) then naturally those links are public, so it's not so much as stalking- it is just another link of interest.
Hopefully this will not hinder the artist fanbase.
- Anyway, is the contact notice to visiting artists going to be updated a bit more after this incident? - Ah, sorry for the mess on trying to update the artist stats ^_^;;
Lick_King said: I find it quite irritating that he's making the same arguments he brought despite Danbooru making it clear in this forum that it's not the case.
Again, it's not going to help our image in the slightest bit.
Slightly off topic but this really is small beans compared to the "doujin issue" in that regard.
T5J8F8 said:
The biggest loss, though, may be Mich Wing's sheltering of his future work behind the closed doors of password protection, due to a lack of trust and, honestly, respect from the public eye.
To call a spade a spade, the artist was far too self absorbed to really have a future.
If it wasn't danbooru it would have been the next image hosting site that simply didn't "beg for forgiveness" at the first complaint.
The artist seems to think they were a special snowflake when in reality they are just another fish in a very vast sea.
unicogirl said: Oyi, I don't like the idea of a gallery site being the cause of an artist going into seclusion.
It doesn't bother me because (in general but in this case directly related to us):
1. We didn't "steal" their work. 2. Albert is not getting rich off danbooru. 3. The artist was just to sensitive and out of touch with reality.
I am confused about how giving credit was misinterpreted as stalking.
They were just trying to work themselves up aka victim mode.
Hopefully this will not hinder the artist fanbase.
I honestly hope it does.
The artist in question needs to learn that it is not all about them and their actions and over reactions do have consequences.
That being said basically when we see an artist ask for art removed we just should pass it on to jxh or Albert and ignore the thread.
Guys, in the future, please note that this entire discussion was unnecessary. If someone makes a removal request, direct it to albert or ask the artist to. Nothing else is relevant, and there's no way we're going to change artists' minds if they feel slighted.
Nor do we really have any need to. No one artist is anywhere near important enough to Danbooru to fight for.
