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Sal.N said:

In the unlikely event that Vanilla answers no to the email, should it get a plagiarism tag then?

What the fuck?
No.

I'm starting to think you seriously do not understand the Danbooru use of "parody / fine art parody" and take offense to the mere idea that "official art" could possibly reference another, more historically important artwork. Just think, a painter looking at another painter's work and thinking "that looks cool" - what a travesty!

post #1170841 is a gigantic, spiralling round tower reaching into the sky.
It doesn't get more Babylonian than that.

Whether the company did plagiarize or being influenced or what not doesn't affect me. Artist gets inspired and influenced all the time, and I'm cool with it. I only care about the product.

But I put out that question since I'm interested in the logic.

IF they say they do not reference Babel, you say the pic doesn't get plagiarism tag. Does it mean you accept it's just similarities (in that scenario)? Despite the "it doesn't get more Babylonian than that"?

Sal.N said:

Whether the company did plagiarize or being influenced or what not doesn't affect me. Artist gets inspired and influenced all the time, and I'm cool with it. I only care about the product.

But I put out that question since I'm interested in the logic.

IF they say they do not reference Babel, you say the pic doesn't get plagiarism tag. Does it mean you accept it's just similarities (in that scenario)? Despite the "it doesn't get more Babylonian than that"?

Plagiarism is for instances of tracing or pose stealing, not for when an artist REFERENCES another artwork.
Do you not know the difference?

Kikimaru said:

Plagiarism is for instances of tracing or pose stealing, not for when an artist REFERENCES another artwork.
Do you not know the difference?

Given the composition of the two images in question, yes, I'm saying it's "pose stealing".

And good, because it seems we agree the degree of similarity is not to the point of plagiarism. Meaning that it could, and could not, be referencing anything.

I'll stop here.

I completely agree with Kikimaru here, there's no way this post can be tagged as plagiarism. That tag is for cases when one image or its part is copied from another one, not a simple composition similarity or homage/reference.

Also, Sal.N, you are continually refusing to accept or even consider opinions other than your own and this is not the first time too. This approach is certainly not contributing or helpful.

As for the original topic, I would say that post #1170841 deserves the fine_art_parody and tower_of_babel tags.
Additionally, this is not the first time when people are trying to dismiss fine_art_parody tag because of "parody" word and/or its implication to the parody tag. So renaming it and removing the implication might be a decent idea regardless of this particular case. Fine_art_homage sounds good to me.

I agree with MyrMindservant. Comparing it with other renditions of the tower of babel, it seems as obvious a reference as any other post under fine art parody, if not more. And I don't think it qualifies as plagiarism, as that refers to taking someone else's work and claiming it is your own, not making a derivative work.

And +1 for fine art homage.

Sal.N said:

post #1170841 is not referencing the Tower of Babel. There are similarities, but it's still at the level that you would need an explicit evidence (such as the creator's comment) to really state it is referencing Babel, instead of just simple similarities.

I've googled グリムグリモア バベルの塔 (GrimGrimoire Tower of Babel) together, along with several JAP reviews for GrimGrimoire, no where mentioned such a connection. Wouldn't it be strange for fans to not say anything even once, if the referencing is so obvious?

I also wasn't able to find anything not on Danbooru that directly connects GrimGrimoire and the Tower of Babel.

But instead, take a look at this article. It's about references/homages that Vanillaware put into the Dragon's Crown trailer. The trailer includes two references to the Tower of Babel, which are mentioned in the article (and here's a comparison image from it.)

This is not an direct connection or explicit confirmation, but as Vanillaware is the developer of both GrimGrimoire and Dragon's Crown, it doesn't seem like a coincidence either. It seems likely that Vanillaware enjoy subtle homages like this.

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jjj14 said:

Danbooru tags are Serious Business

Serlo said:

No, one tag for one post that tries to identify the artist's intent in the image is a complicated yet unimportant topic.

Heh, I guess you don't know the "serious business" meme. People getting worked up over a complicated yet unimportant topic is pretty much the definition of it.

As far as the OP image goes I say it should be tagged with tower_of_babel and fine_art_parody. No harm in "overtagging".

jjj14 said: No harm in "overtagging".

I think this I where I stand. Is it a borderline case? Yes. Does having the fine_art_parody tag in this situation negatively affect anything? No.

But it's certainly not plagiarism either way.

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