Which makes it all the more amusing because it's basically ripped from Transmetropolitan. But it's awesome anyways for the little changes it makes, like "danmaku is a low-skill, high-income job".
Yes, it's turning into a full-blown Transmetropolitan parody/homage/reference/whatever you want to call it. From Aya's glasses to the call of "filthy assisstants."
Which I love, because I highly recommend the series to anyone with an interest in comics.
Fred1515 said: From Finnland to the USA and from Peanuts to Transmetropolitan. I wonder if there's anything that has remained free from Touhou's twisted touch.
ZUN's point of view, Touhou is the one getting twisted here.
Now where does Shinki, Yuuka, Mima and the rest of the PC-98 characters fit in? Since I do not have the means to become a Goon I must rely on alternate means to ask for such characters to be included.
RiderFan said: Now where does Shinki, Yuuka, Mima and the rest of the PC-98 characters fit in? Since I do not have the means to become a Goon I must rely on alternate means to ask for such characters to be included.
The artist has not commented on whether or not any of the PC-98 characters will be appearing. He does read these comments, so he may answer some requests.
Well there are a treasure trove of characters that could be used from the days before Embodiment of the Scarlet Devil. I am not familiar with the Pacific Northwest so any allusions to everyday occurrences with people in that region is foreign.
RiderFan said: Well there are a treasure trove of characters that could be used from the days before Embodiment of the Scarlet Devil. I am not familiar with the Pacific Northwest so any allusions to everyday occurrences with people in that region is foreign.
Same here. I do know he has mentioned he is going to include Yamaxanadu and Komachi at some point, though.
RiderFan said: Now where does Shinki, Yuuka, Mima and the rest of the PC-98 characters fit in? Since I do not have the means to become a Goon I must rely on alternate means to ask for such characters to be included.
orgolove, either that, or it's one of the people I see comment on these things that takes Touhou and Touhou's incredibly loose and largely fan-made "canon" WAY too seriously. Don't get me wrong, I love Touhou, but the way people have railed against this series for being some awful crime against the franchise is a little excessive.
And considering how many rough sketches & horrendously proportioned works of hentai and Japanese fanart get approved on this site, to flag this for deletion for being "poorly drawn with bad line-work" is rather insincere and highly suspect.
Hello, flagger here. Sorry, no vendetta here, or I would've gone and flagged everything here. I simply noticed the sketchy nature of this artist's work, and that usually means some of the posts under the name are going to be pretty far under the mark - hence the six - sorry, seven - I flagged. I like the idea they went for here, but some of these are just too... you know. This series could be pretty damn awesome if it had better art.
And of course, because it seems to still come up all the time: the presence of worse art doesn't excuse other bad art - go flag them yourself, if you think something looks off.
Nagi said: orgolove, either that, or it's one of the people I see comment on these things that takes Touhou and Touhou's incredibly loose and largely fan-made "canon" WAY too seriously. Don't get me wrong, I love Touhou, but the way people have railed against this series for being some awful crime against the franchise is a little excessive.
And considering how many rough sketches & horrendously proportioned works of hentai and Japanese fanart get approved on this site, to flag this for deletion for being "poorly drawn with bad line-work" is rather insincere and highly suspect.
Like Arrei just said, go flag the sketchy tits if the pictures get on your tits.
damn it accidentally pressed submit appeal. to continue, drawing can show what the characters are doing and show their expressions. even if there was i don't see anatomically incorrect drawings. lines are not poorly drawn. this isn't color the colorbook. it just is the drawing style. it is like criticizing a painter for not using lines.
Arrei said: Hello, flagger here. Sorry, no vendetta here, or I would've gone and flagged everything here. I simply noticed the sketchy nature of this artist's work, and that usually means some of the posts under the name are going to be pretty far under the mark - hence the six - sorry, seven - I flagged. I like the idea they went for here, but some of these are just too... you know. This series could be pretty damn awesome if it had better art.
Aaah, the old "I REPORT ALL SKETCHES, IT'S JUST THAT I DON'T NEED TO REPORT THE ONES THAT AREN'T WESTERN!!!" flagger excuse.
RaptorJesus said: Yes, that completely excuses the FLAG EVERYTHING GAIJIN mentality that comes from you spergs every time this comes up.
Thanks for the insult there, mate. Classy.
Anyway, I like this stuff, so don't roll me into any of those groups that you seem to be making in your head based solely on a comment you've seen others make. I'm against people flagging something because there's no japanese connections, since if the picture's of a good enough quality, it should be given passage. The amount of times I've seen pictures of a decent quality get flagged and wiped because "ABLOOBLOOBLOO ITS NOT NIHON" or some bullshit like that, it makes me think some flaggers follow the letter rather than the spirit of the rules. Or vice versa. I'm not good with that phrasing. Hey on re-reading that I guess I'm making group assumptions based on passing glances of people. But hey, I'm not insulting them so it's AAAAAAAALRIIIIIIIIGHT
And I'm not even joking when I say that there's some crap on this site that only got by on the porn factor, or the Touhou degree. I'd've flagged them myself, but I wasn't as indignant with rage back then as I am right now. So if, by some glimmer of luck, I come across these pictures, you can bet your lazy username decision that I'll have marked it.
Oh look I wall-of-texted. Guess you're gonna have to read that to get the gist of what I said.
Oh, and thanks for the bait. It was delicious and let me get my rage out P:
Must these discussions always devolve into attacks on people? It's as if flagging an image is an attack on your personal integrity.
Pata-Hikari said: This isn't bad art though. It's a pretty intentional "sketchy" style.
I can see "style" for other images, such as the Marisa comics. Or the gangsta Remi one, which is noticeably sketchy but many times cleaner and better-looking. But this? No. Just look at that third panel, for one. "Sketchy" already skirts the border of quality as it is. There's no obligation to accept sketchy art just because it's an artist's style, mind.
RaptorJesus said: Aaah, the old "I REPORT ALL SKETCHES, IT'S JUST THAT I DON'T NEED TO REPORT THE ONES THAT AREN'T WESTERN!!!" flagger excuse.
It's not an excuse, nor is it claiming one flags all sketches - I don't even know where you got that when sketches aren't even grounds for deletion, only messy, poor ones are, like with all posts. I flag poorly drawn art or off-topic art that comes to my attention as I browse the site normally. And I noticed this batch because of all the arguing that happened on the Remilia picture. Simple as that. I find it a bit offensive that people like you insist I'm flagging images for some kind of imagined vendetta when I simply don't want this place to turn into another Gelbooru. The idea is... terrifying.
Assuming "hahaah dumb weeaboo hates gaijin blah blah weeaboo weeaboo weeaboo lulz" as the sole reason why anyone could possibly dislike something of American origin with questionable quality isn't doing some of you any favors.
Instead of assuming this is the only reason anything American gets flagged, ever, and using that as a vehicle to bash and raise a stink about falsely assumed Japanese bias on Danbooru, when there are plenty of good American things that do get approved, try defending the actual piece.
Frankly, this attitude is barely a hair above "there are worse images on the site, why flag this one", which has never been a valid excuse not to flag something, ever. In fact, take away the poor "must be a darn weeaboo" argument, and that's basically what you're saying.
In short, there are worse. Yes, sometimes a lot worse, but that has no bearing on this image since there is no such thing as a Danbooru measuring stick. But if you think any other shitty Touhou sketch is so bad, then go flag that one instead.
Just stop getting so offended whenever someone flags something you like, whether it's American, Japanese, or whatever, and be prepared to reasonably and maturely discuss and defend the image on its merits and shortcomings, instead of falling back on perceived bias and straw man arguments.
Nice try. That record was from an image I neglected to notice wasn't even approved in the first place and was already flagged with a dumb reason when I got to it (it was flagged "ganguro"...) - I simply added one that could've at least had some merit based on the anatomical inaccuracy of the image's giant stick nipples, so that it wouldn't get approved just because a janitor might have seen the dumb reason given and thought someone was being foolish - with which someone apparently disagreed and felt was a "frivolous" reason. I didn't bother to ask for its removal in the forum being that it's just a neutral record and I did screw up and flag an unapproved image, after all.
Regardless, I fail to see how that relates to a simple quality flag such as this one.
There's plenty of examples of a few pictures of questionable quality in an otherwise acceptable pool being allowed to remain if only to maintain the continuity of the overarching storyline of the pool itself. Indeed, one of several valid reasons for appealing a deleted post is that it is part of a pool.
And you yourself mentioned how you find the other posts of this pool to be acceptable. Hence, even if this specific post slightly grates against your standard of quality, you should have no qualms about letting it remain visible on the site as a part of the whole pool, of which you approve of.
Yes, I would've ignored this were this the only page of the arc I flagged - that would've fallen squarely under the "part of a pool" defense. I didn't bat an eye at the Marisa arc for that reason. But this Aya arc begins with pages that are simply awful. Were they never approved, the rest of the arc would not have been accepted either. Hence, I went ahead with the flag.
Yet it's still part of the pool, and a pool can contain multiple storylines - as you say, the other pages of Aya's arc had also been approved. If you're going by principles, then you'd have to flag all pages that are part of the Aya storyline - and still you wouldn't have a valid argument for their deletion, as those posts, as a whole, still constitute a part of the "Gensokyo USA" pool - hence qualifying any of them for the "part of the pool" defense.
You misunderstand the "part of a pool" defense - which is why it was taken out of the list of reasons. "Part of a pool" is meant to preserve continuity, and only that. If the initial posts aren't approved, then there is no continuity to be preserved in the first place.
As a matter of fact, for clarification's sake, these posts' presence in "Gensokyo USA" doesn't matter one bit. "Part of a pool", as it's meant to be used, would've applied if these arcs were put into their own pools like every other sequential story, and a single image in the middle of one of those was badly done. (In fact, this pooling should've been done regardless of what happens here, but I'm not sure the arcs have their own names)
I know it's sketchy due to his style. I flagged ones that were sketchy even for being sketchy - contrast to, say, the Yuyuko-busters image, gangsta Remi, Marisa with a beer.
Sorry if I'm getting all wordy and junk here, by the way.
If you really want this post to be removed, then you'd have to flag for removal of all the other pictures that are part of the "Aya arc" to keep your arguments consistent. Even if we are to consider the two arcs in the pool as two separate "pools" for the purposes of argument, that reason still holds so long as the beginning pages of Aya's arc remain approved and unflagged.
And as RaenirSalazar mentions, one can make a credible argument that the style is more parts intentional than mere artistic ineptitude.
1.It's the artist's style. This is the artists style and I think it works. It gives a "seedy" feel to seedy characters.
2. If the "Part of a Pool" defense is for only continuity sake, what of the other two transmetropolitan/touhou images? If we lose this one and then more get posted, people will be lost.
I think this series is fine where it is and I vote to keep it. It's funny and I think the styles appropriate for the subject matter.
The beginning pages are flagged, is what I'm saying. It's because those were so bad that I flagged this one as well. Should the flag go through and they are removed, well, I'll let someone else decide what happens to the orphaned pages - I don't think it's necessary to axe all of those. Future uploads are not an issue. Again, if the beginning was never approved to begin with they wouldn't have been approved anyway.
And again, intentional doesn't mean it has to be accepted. It might get by on other merits, in which case you can write it off as stylistic, like the ones I didn't touch, but by no means is "intentional" a tight defense.
By the way, this "Aya arc" starts with the whole "Yakumo Industries" thing, yes? Those are what I'm referring to.
Sigh... did you really just mis-use my words as an appeal? I said the pool defense only works to preserve continuity, which will not apply here as the beginning of the story is flagged as well.
Arrei said: Sigh... did you really just mis-use my words as an appeal? I said the pool defense only works to preserve continuity, which will not apply here as the beginning of the story is flagged as well.
I did. So, it's better to orphan multiple story arcs simply because you don't like the art? It's part of a story and if you delete parts of it, especially the beginning, where's the continuity?
Interesting - either the other flags were already cleared, in which case the prognosis for your flag of this image is also quite poor, or you actually haven't flagged any other pages from the Aya arc.
In either case, is it really your prerogative to mass-flag a set of approved pages for the mere reason that the art somehow doesn't match your standards? Clearly that the picture was approved in the first place shows it was deemed acceptable by someone in the powers that be. If it was just a single image you may have a case, but discrediting the experience of multiple approvers is probably over-reaching, don't you think?
See above: Continuity defense only applies if there's continuity to be defended, yes? So if the beginning is flagged and found to be delete-worthy, then the story wouldn't have been uploaded in the first place, making it unnecessary to defend its continuity.
Besides, the remaining pages work as jokes/interpretations of these characters all on their own, wouldn't you say?
orgolove said: Interesting - either the other flags were already cleared, in which case the prognosis for your flag of this image is also quite poor, or you actually haven't flagged any other pages from the Aya arc.
The flags on the first two are still there. Yukari's call to Remi, with exceedingly crude Remi.
In either case, is it really your prerogative to mass-flag a set of approved pages for the mere reason that the art somehow doesn't match your standards? Clearly that the picture was approved in the first place shows it was deemed acceptable by someone in the powers that be. If it was just a single image you may have a case, but discrediting the experience of multiple approvers is probably over-reaching, don't you think?
The reason for the existence of the flag system is because janitors are only human. Sometimes they approve things that they wouldn't have approved again if they ran into it a few months later. Sometimes they approve outright bad art - it's happened before, and it's what I believe is happening for some of the images here. Danbooru's own terms hold its quality to a high standard, for which the approval process exists in the first place, and I care for that quality - without it, we get Gelbooru.
Arrei said: The flags on the first two are still there. Yukari's call to Remi, with exceedingly crude Remi.
The reason for the existence of the flag system is because janitors are only human. Sometimes they approve things that they wouldn't have approved again if they ran into it a few months later. Sometimes they approve outright bad art - it's happened before, and it's what I believe is happening for some of the images here. Danbooru's own terms hold its quality to a high standard, for which the approval process exists in the first place, and I care for that quality - without it, we get Gelbooru.
Crude as in language? Since when was language a valid reason? And the approver thing would be valid, if only one mod approved it. I see Log, Not_One_Of_Us, and Riderfan as approvers.
I see. Remove the beginning, then you'll have a good argument for deleting other ones further down.
Rooks89 said: Crude as in language? Since when was language a valid reason? And the approver thing would be valid, if only one mod approved it. I see Log, Not_One_Of_Us, and Riderfan as approvers.
No, not "crude" as in language... we're debating quality here, Rooks. That Remi is of exceedingly crude quality.
Furthermore, were this and other pages re-approved, I would leave it at that, since it'd have been extensively discussed. I would disagree heavily with it, and I hope the janitors refrain from approving works of this quality, but unless other people start debating about its quality it wouldn't be my concern anymore. If they insist on reapproving each other's approvals, well, there's little I can do about that by myself.
In addition, I am aware Not_One and RiderFan approved parts of this pool. I simply believe they are not in the right in regards to certain images (in particular the standalone Transmetropolitan picture of Aya that has been re-approved), hence the discussion, and why I hope for people to discuss such things calmly and rationally. Whereas the approval by Log appears to be because someone else has re-flagged a few images, and from the forum I think he misinterpreted it to be a case of me thinking someone was re-approving their own approvals due to my use of the term "Seem-level" to describe the quality.
My apologies. I was thinking of the other post that was flagged, where Remi is yelling at Yukari.
I still think they are fine quality and have an interesting story that complements the style. But, if they do get deleted, fine, no skin off my back. I'm not going to fuss over this.
Arrei said: See above: Continuity defense only applies if there's continuity to be defended, yes? So if the beginning is flagged and found to be delete-worthy, then the story wouldn't have been uploaded in the first place, making it unnecessary to defend its continuity.
Why do I have a feeling that you were one of the assholes who cheered on when the Rifyu translations got deleted?
Tsk. Tsk. There's still debate about this ? Ah well, viewing the bickering is always fun. Arguing over the Internet is never a good ending. Unless they've been left in tears, then maybe for you. If you enjoy it, enjoy it. If you hate it, hate it and move on. I guess some people don't see it as easy as that. They feel the need to nuke the comments as other pictures don't get this kind of attention. So this picture and entire pool has done its job. ---- Mission Accomplished
BakaHoushi said: Yes, it's turning into a full-blown Transmetropolitan parody/homage/reference/whatever you want to call it. From Aya's glasses to the call of "filthy assisstants."
Which I love, because I highly recommend the series to anyone with an interest in comics.
So Aya slept with Momiji, and the latter is in deny?
raitie2000 said: I am amazed at how these strips still attract so much flame.
Indeed. All the arguements against it (rough/"ugly" art, deviation of fanon/canon, non-japanese origin and references) can be found elsewhere on the site with nary a critical peep. My guess is that it's the Somethingawful.com source that's causing the butthurt.
