...and that's all? Cliffhanger's still hanging, sudden (+capslock) twists and plot devices are still incoming in numbers. I'm disappointed. And kind of sad. Oh well.
You blew it, Kamonari. Here was your chance to explain yourself for the ridiculous out-of-nowhere ending to volume 5...and you gave us a story that's just barely related to it in the most tangential way possible. Yukari still showed up and killed Cirno, still for no reason at all. Twist endings and cliffhangers aren't bad, but they can't be totally out of nowhere with characters never introduced before, especially if they're so out of place mood-wise, and ESPECIALLY if you're not going to IMMEDIATELY explain yourself to the reader afterwards. It's like the Zerg invaded at the end of the last volume and killed half the cast. Yeah, it's unexpected, but not in a good way.
Kilgamayan said: Reimu cost Yukari her chance of seeing her friend resurrected via the events of PCB.
the circumstances regarding Yukari & Yuyuko were a tad different from Reimu and Cirno's. Yuyuko died (in this series) because she didn't want to see any more of the villagers die. she also felt responsible for the deaths that had already occurred.
Cirno died purely out of Yukari's Spite. plain and simple.
also with regards to yukari hating reimu for PCB, it would therefore make sense that if Yuyuko successfully unsealed the Saigyou Ayakashi it would start killing people again, and history would repeat itself. not to mention i think i remember in one of Zun's works he had Yukari mention something about how Yuyuko's attempt to unseal the Ayakashi would never work.
then theres the fact that yukari can still visit yuyuko. she can visit her when ever she wants to. considering the circumstances of cirnos death, i don't think Reimu has that luxury.
Way to be selfish Yukari. I feel like we need a Parsee spirit hanging off of her.
Sure, she might not remember those days, but you still have Yuyuko. Trying to bring back a killer tree just to bring back her friend's old memories is rather selfish.
Nissiku said: ...Has everyone forgotten that Cirno is a fairy and they're immortal and resurrect after a few days?
Right now I can give you a dozen of explanations why Cirno can't be revived. It is Yukari we are talking about. Anyway, yes. I am pretty sure that this series will have a happyend in the end. Everybody will cry from joy, Cirno will marry Reimu (or the other way around), and so on...
But what's done can't be undone. Bad things remain bad, and terrible plot decisions will remain being terrible. That is not how you develop the plot in the romantic slice, Ahiru. Nope.
I think it is a good plot. Maybe Yukari wants to teach Reimu a lesson or want to test Reimu´s feelings for Cirno. To make sure that Reimu will can overcome any problem.
I like this series, and I'm going to stick with it, but I must agree with a lot of what has been said: Throwing out a huge plot twist and then jumping to a tangentially-related story, one which still doesn't offer much explanation for Yukari's dickish behavior (is she angry at Reimu by due to her being of the Hakurei clan that might have been able to prevent Yuyuko's death? We still don't know) is getting into, and this is the best comparison I can come up with right now, Lost-esque storytelling (the later seasons) where the audience must quietly sit through a number of plot threads before they get an answer to the driving question, all while having to deal with still more questions arising.
Well....as I can see....Reimu is going to try to kick Yokari's ass. Maybe. Likely in my book. Who knows. Maybe turns out that Yukari was jealous that Cirno was getting Reimu's affection.
Nissiku said: ...Has everyone forgotten that Cirno is a fairy and they're immortal and resurrect after a few days?
Shikeiki has eluded that Cirno has become strong enough to be her own entity and that if she dies, she MIGHT not revive instantly like most fairies do. (canon-derp)
Let's review some stuff: A: Cirno asked reimu: "who's cirno?" right before melting (995943) B: As said before, Shikeiki explained that sooner or later Cirno will stop respawning. C: Yuyuko did not knew that the corpose below the tree is her own, what implies that Ghost Yuyuko is a different being than Human Yuyuko. This implies that, even if Yukari go to Hakugyokurou, she will never find her long lost friend (This has been implied countless times, but i do not know of anything that confirms this canonically).
B removes the 'Cirno is fairy -> Cirno respawns'. It is still possible, but it's not guaranteed anymore
A implies that Yukari did not just killed Cirno, she messed up with either 'Cirno Memories' or 'Cirno Existence'.
Possible outcomes: 1 If it was just 'Cirno Memories', then for some reason she made Cirno forget about herself before she died, one possible outcome is: 'Faries respawn in what they belive they are', 'Cirno have no memories of Cirno', 'Cirno have only vague memories of other people, except for Reimu' -> 'Cirno respawns into 'Cirnomu' '. This could serve a way of showing that, as Cirno becomes less self-centered, most of her memories will be of Reimu, she might respawn as 'Cirnomu', just like Yuyuko is not Yuyuko anymore, then Yukari loads savestate 1
2 If it was 'Cirno Existence'. It could be argued that it takes some time to 'propagate', and then everyone will forget about Cirno, except Reimu (love > yukari's cheat engine). And if it goes for some time without Reimu ever forgetting Cirno, Yukari will respawn her with her usual haxx. (or not, and this will have a sad ending)
Now, why 'I will not forgive you'. I have no idea, probably something in the lines of what was said before. But then, if Yukari did this as revenge, i would doubt 1 or 2 apply
This series started with a crack pairing, managed to make it cute and even believable, and now has taken a very dark turn that I could never have predicted at the beginning.
At this point I can only assume "object lesson" as to why Yukari did what she did, probably as a test to see just how deeply Reimu's feelings for Cirno go. Or maybe this isn't a test at all, and Yukari is doing what she has to do for the greater good of Gensokyo (it's entirely possible that she believes Reimu may be putting her feelings for Cirno ahead of her responsibilities as the Maiden of Hakurei). Let's not forget, Yukari isn't always particularly "nice." For all that we may like to see her as the playful über-troll of Gensokyo, sometimes she has to harden her heart the way a mother having to punish an errant child would have to. And if Reimu is shirking her duties because of a "distraction," then Yukari might feel it her duty to remove the source of that distraction... better to have Reimu hate her guts in a healthy Gensokyo, she may feel, than it would be for the Hakurei Barrier to fall because of Reimu's irresponsibility.
Although I would very much like to know exactly what happened to Cirno. She's an ice fairy, but it's not as if she's made of ice. She doesn't melt, occasional gag pictures aside, so where'd that puddle of water come from? I have a sneaking feeling that there's more going on here than just Yukari. But I guess we'll have to wait for volume seven to find out.
A) Reimu and yukari have some not particularly good story going backstage, and this was yukari's revenge for that.
B) Yukari is being very selfish because Reimu obtained what she couldn't had. While is true that yuyuko is still "alive" its obviously not the same yuyuko as back them. It must be really painful for her to be with the person she loves knowing that that person doesnt remenbers her or the time they expended together.
Either way, the key is to find what exactly yukari wont forgive (btw the line "I will not forgive you" was really powerful, is IMO way worse than "I cant forgive you" as it implies the choice of forgiving or not).
Also I dont think this is bad plot, this kind of unexpected turn are my favorite, I just hope that the explanation is good enough to justify the twist, because if isnt, the twist looses its meaning.
TheKid965 said: Or maybe this isn't a test at all, and Yukari is doing what she has to do for the greater good of Gensokyo (it's entirely possible that she believes Reimu may be putting her feelings for Cirno ahead of her responsibilities as the Maiden of Hakurei). Let's not forget, Yukari isn't always particularly "nice."
Well then, I think that Reimu should stop being "nice" too and just kill Yukari once and for all. Seriously, why not? Just because of herpHakureiClanGreatDuty and derpGensokyoLove? That's why we (and, more importantly Reimu) should forgive Yukari? I don't think so. Screw it.
But oh well, we all know that there would be new TWISTS in the future, and everything will be all right.
Yukari...?You know what, Reimu?...Cirno?...Harsh, isn't it?Losing someone important right in front of your eyes.I will......not forgive you.Why... how could you do this...
