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    TheGreatDeer
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    warfighter416 said:

    Yeah, maybe you're right... after all that knife had a blood on it... probably our security forces' blood... Please note that I'm a Malaysian...

    I'm Malaysian too, and frankly, I'm just glad the incident was resolved rather quickly, too many deaths.

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    laisy
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    nabusco said:

    very clever but may i have some info on that beheading video?

    The invaders capture some of the security force and beheaded them and did something so disturbing that I don't want to remember it and they videotaped it. By the way, those videos have been removed, so you wouldn't find any of them on YouTube.

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    laisy said:

    The invaders capture some of the security force and beheaded them and did something so disturbing that I don't want to remember it and they videotaped it. By the way, those videos have been removed, so you wouldn't find any of them on YouTube.

    Which lead the Malaysian Armed Forces to use all of their power to annihilate the Sulu until they surrendered or killed...

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    warfighter416
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    T34/38 said:

    Or it's old history, where Sabah should be with the Philipines.

    Yeah, I learn that in my history class... Originally, Sabah is one of the Sulu's territory and suddenly the Brits showed up and turns it into one of their territory. Fast forward few years later, 1962, Federation of Malaya asks Sabah and Sarawak to join them to form Malaysia but neighboring countries against it including Philiphines which claimed that Sabah is their territory. Then the Cobbold Commision is formed up to do a survey on the peoples of North Borneo.Overall, the people of the North Borneo choose to join Malaysia... That's what I learned through the history lesson's... Mind me if i got some mistakes.

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    laisy
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    warfighter416 said:

    Yeah, I learn that in my history class... Originally, Sabah is one of the Sulu's territory and suddenly the Brits showed up and turns it into one of their territory. Fast forward few years later, 1962, Federation of Malaya asks Sabah and Sarawak to join them to form Malaysia but neighboring countries against it including Philiphines which claimed that Sabah is their territory. Then the Cobbold Commision is formed up to do a survey on the peoples of North Borneo.Overall, the people of the North Borneo choose to join Malaysia... That's what I learned through the history lesson's... Mind me if i got some mistakes.

    And you missed something, the last Sultan of Sulu empire agreed to end that deal in 1958. Form 5 textbook page 148.

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    escav
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    Just some stuff about the whole Sabah issue I wanted to add.

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    I just wanted to add that the official 1878 documents that turn Sabah over to Malaysia included a Malaysian word padjak that could be translated as either "sold" or "leased" depending on who you ask which is what keeps the dispute alive. Naturally Malaysia claims that the word means "sold" while the Philippines holds that it means "leased".

    The thing is though that the document also said that a payment of 5300 Malaysian dollars a year is to be paid to the legal counsel of the heirs of the Sultan of Sulu and without a final payment amount to be met within a specific time, tends to add more weight to the "leased" side of the argument.

    Assuming sold is correct then Sabah is Malaysia's no two way about it.

    And assuming that it does indeed mean leased then technically Sabah (the land specifically since the people prefer being Malaysian) still belongs to the Sulu Sultanate.

    With regards to the 1958 document, “Instrument of Cessation”, then Sultan Muhammad Esmail Kiram's intent was to terminate the lease contract with the British Company that they signed the original 1878 document with. There's more but I'm sure we here in danbooru don't exactly want to get too engrossed in these kinds of political squabbles.

    In no way however does that justify what happened and frankly Kiram, whose people were the ones that invaded, was merely one of the claimants of the Sulu Sultanate. Speaking as a Filipino now, I simply couldn't support his actions which were very clearly from the start going to end in tragedy one way or another, and until the claimants pull their shit together and finalize who is the Sultan of Sulu, I still cannot provide any of them support in the future.

    And with that said, that is one freaky skirt she's got there.

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