She sank USS Perch SS-176. She participated in the First Naval Battle of Guadalcanal, she's lucky enough to survive after leading an attack along with Yuudachi where she sank USS Barton DD-599 and damaged USS Juneau CL-52. She's been torpedoed by USS Redfin SS-272 and left adrift for six days until she was rescued.
If Prinz Eugen will be introduce, then she can be the first ship in Kancolle to be actually commissioned under the USN.
Also interesting, with Amatsukaze we now have all of Capt. Tameichi Hara's commands along with Shigure and Yahagi.
Hara's memoirs are a great read and the book also covers most of Amatsukaze's early battle record in the South Pacific. She didn't go down until April 1945 - if she'd lasted a few more months her reputation as a combat survivor might have rivaled that of Yukikaze.
If Prinz Eugen will be introduce, then she can be the first ship in Kancolle to be actually commissioned under the USN.
Fun Fact: This is actually wrong, no fault of Lunatic6.
The first ship to actually be commissioned under the USN in Kancolle is actually Ship #001... Nagato.
The Battleship Nagato was transferred to the United States Navy as a war prize in August 1945, when a boarding team from the Iowa took control of her. Commissioned, September 15th, 1945, USS Nagato BB(P)-01. 'P', of course, stands for 'Prize', although the alternative meaning 'Provisionary' makes just as much sense. As a matter of fact, plans were drawn up to 'Americanize' her, though arguments flew as to whether she should retain her name or be renamed 'USS Okinawa' (Okinawa, at the time, had become sovereign territory of the US and remained that way until the 70s. Seriously, they intended to turn it [and all of Japan, and Korea, and, and, and...] into a state until they found out just exactly what MacArthur's Agreement entailed)... Unfortunately, when in dry dock for repairs they noticed that her underbelly hull was damage (by depth charges from Taffy 3 they would later guess) so bad that she was simply not saveable. Some attempts were made to float her to Okinawa as a memorial, however it was determined that this would only spur animosity against the US among the Japanese people. Thus she was sent to Crossroads.
If they had converted her, she would have had the effective firepower of the Montana... we had already designed Mark 7 Triple Gun turrets to fit her. Imagine that.
The first ship to actually be commissioned under the USN in Kancolle is actually Ship #001... Nagato.
I'm aware that Nagato was taken by the USN as a war prize but I never have thought that they have actually christened Nagato as USS Nagato. This surely is shocking.
If they had converted her, she would have had the effective firepower of the Montana... we had already designed Mark 7 Triple Gun turrets to fit her. Imagine that.
Fun Fact: This is actually wrong, no fault of Lunatic6.
The first ship to actually be commissioned under the USN in Kancolle is actually Ship #001... Nagato.
The Battleship Nagato was transferred to the United States Navy as a war prize in August 1945, when a boarding team from the Iowa took control of her. Commissioned, September 15th, 1945, USS Nagato BB(P)-01. 'P', of course, stands for 'Prize', although the alternative meaning 'Provisionary' makes just as much sense. As a matter of fact, plans were drawn up to 'Americanize' her, though arguments flew as to whether she should retain her name or be renamed 'USS Okinawa' (Okinawa, at the time, had become sovereign territory of the US and remained that way until the 70s. Seriously, they intended to turn it [and all of Japan, and Korea, and, and, and...] into a state until they found out just exactly what MacArthur's Agreement entailed)... Unfortunately, when in dry dock for repairs they noticed that her underbelly hull was damage (by depth charges from Taffy 3 they would later guess) so bad that she was simply not saveable. Some attempts were made to float her to Okinawa as a memorial, however it was determined that this would only spur animosity against the US among the Japanese people. Thus she was sent to Crossroads.
If they had converted her, she would have had the effective firepower of the Montana... we had already designed Mark 7 Triple Gun turrets to fit her. Imagine that.
Is there a source you can provide? I'm sure some individuals would be interested in the topic further. Hehe.
Is there a source you can provide? I'm sure some individuals would be interested in the topic further. Hehe.
I found this document that tells about Nagato's last year, also according to her TRoM, after she was removed from the IJN Navy list on September 15, 1945, she conducted three more test runs within Tokyo Bay from March 1 to 14, 1946 before she was used for the Operation Crossroad.
Probably this is quite enough evidence to know that Nagato was actually commissioned to the USN.
Yes, they kept the pagoda. We had mostly figured out how to deal with it. Mostly.
CoCoMoo said:
Is there a source you can provide? I'm sure some individuals would be interested in the topic further. Hehe.
Unfortunately, the plans themselves that I saw were in the Naval Archives, with the Super-Shimakaze plans and Nagato's captain's log. The fact she was commissioned though I had read in an old copy of the Naval Register (printed 1952, covered all ships in WW2 still). However, the 'current' register (like the one you can find online) doesn't have a section for prize ships, that I am aware of (I admit that I didn't look very hard). I'm going out on a limb and assuming that what I saw wasn't fake.
Yes, they kept the pagoda. We had mostly figured out how to deal with it. Mostly.
Unfortunately, the plans themselves that I saw were in the Naval Archives, with the Super-Shimakaze plans and Nagato's captain's log. The fact she was commissioned though I had read in an old copy of the Naval Register (printed 1952, covered all ships in WW2 still). However, the 'current' register (like the one you can find online) doesn't have a section for prize ships, that I am aware of (I admit that I didn't look very hard). I'm going out on a limb and assuming that what I saw wasn't fake.
To what degree can those plans be accessed? It's been quite a long time, surely the files should have been declassified by now.
Alas, woe is the historian who wants to do in-depth online research on... anything.
No need to do online research, can always go directly to the source, if you know the right people. There should be copies of older editions for the historical archives; if I recall, members of the American public can request for the release of government-owned papers, under the Freedom of Information Act. This may be an easier request than others, since I doubt there is much confidential data still worth protecting out of blueprints fifty or so years old of as of now outdated warships.
I can't speak as to Nagato's commissioning, but she never would have had the hull classification symbol BB(P)-01 or name USS Okinawa. I can't find any record of a (P) parenthetical suffix being used to denote a prize ship - the contemporary prize ships Hanazuki (IJN), T-35, and Z-39 (DKM) were reclassified DD-934, DD-935, and DD-939, respectively, for instance. That would have also conflicted with USS Indiana (BB-1) - new number series weren't started for parenthetical suffixes (which is why, for example, there were no Landing Ships Medium LSM-188 through LSM-199; Landing Ships Medium (Rocket) LSM(R)-188 through LSM(R)-199 occupied this block). Also, the USN has never put gratuitous leading zeroes in hull classification symbols. As for the USS Okinawa name, battleships were required by an Act of Congress (Act of May 4, 1898, chapter 234 statute 30) to be named after states. In any case, Okinawa was not its own entity under US administration (not sovereignty), but governed as part of the Ryukyu Islands as a whole. Of course, this wouldn't preclude naming a ship after it, but would make the namesake a less significant entity than a whole territory, whose names were given to large cruisers.
(Also, "hips and service craft disposed of prior to 1987 are currently not included" in the online NVR - I don't know if the US has captured any ships as prizes since then, but regardless, of course, WWII ships wouldn't be on there either way.)
MooCow21 said: No need to do online research, can always go directly to the source, if you know the right people. There should be copies of older editions for the historical archives; if I recall, members of the American public can request for the release of government-owned papers, under the Freedom of Information Act. This may be an easier request than others, since I doubt there is much confidential data still worth protecting out of blueprints fifty or so years old of as of now outdated warships.
True, but knowing the right people (and the right procedures) is one of the biggest (if not THE biggest) difficulty in in-depth historical research though.
Simply investigating a single battle of WWII can involve numerous organizations, each of whom may have their own separate archives. (ie. Investigating the Battle of Guadalcanal may involve gathering data from the IJN, the IJA, the US Marines, the US Army and the US Navy.)
To what degree can those plans be accessed? It's been quite a long time, surely the files should have been declassified by now.
Oh, they're quite 'public', just like most everything buried in the Smithsonian. However, getting them to take those things out... that's another matter entirely. Really, by the time you get though just one office of the government for permission, it comes down to 'too much headache' and you're now broke anyway.
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Ah, that's explainable, and possible rather funny. See, after the Montana was cancelled, the people of the State of Montana rose a ruckus over the fact that 'their ship' got canceled, so they forced a few key people to 'promise' that the next Battleship accepted into service with the US Navy had to be named 'Montana'. Designating her (Nagato) 'BB(P)-01' and calling her Okinawa (after a Battle) was simply the USN's way of saying to Montana "We know, shut up" and thumbing their noses.
If repaired, she (Nagato) probably would have been re-named as something else entirely. Keep in mind that many politicians use these proposals to point out the absurdity of other propositions of the time, knowing full well that they'll never pass. The popular topic of political internal satire of the day was building and maintaining wartime military levels after 'everyone who needs beating has done gotten themselves beat'. Fast forward just a few years and we'd be in the pacific once again...
Incidentally, the US Gov has kept their promise with Montana, they haven't named a single ship 'Montana' yet... because they specified, it had to be a Battleship.
Also, thanks for pointing that out on the Online Naval Registry. As I said, I didn't look to deep.
MMaestro said:
True, but knowing the right people (and the right procedures) is one of the biggest (if not THE biggest) difficulty in in-depth historical research though.
Simply investigating a single battle of WWII can involve numerous organizations, each of whom may have their own separate archives. (ie. Investigating the Battle of Guadalcanal may involve gathering data from the IJN, the IJA, the US Marines, the US Army and the US Navy.)
Exactly. The only reason I saw the plans is my boss (at the time) was very good friends with (then) President Bush, and made several major campaign contributions across the board... Politics, the enemy of historians everywhere.
(Okinawa, at the time, had become sovereign territory of the US and remained that way until the 70s. Seriously, they intended to turn it [and all of Japan, and Korea, and, and, and...] into a state until they found out just exactly what MacArthur's Agreement entailed)....
Your ignorance of history with this statement is mind blowing.