Ayakumo had the same thought, I see. I swore she was more Renko clone than anything, a result of reality and fantasy mixing together.
If anything, Renko would be a clone of her, since Renko lives in the near future while Sumireko lives in the present. But it would be more likely that Sumireko was her mother or grandmother.
It probably isn't fully stated like the others, but her Occult Name IS "Doppelganger". It's been hinted several times in the dialogue, even Sumireko herself admits it.
If anything, Renko would be a clone of her, since Renko lives in the near future while Sumireko lives in the present. But it would be more likely that Sumireko was her mother or grandmother.
What ? rely Renko and Meribel lives in the future ? how so , don't they live in the present as well ? and saying this is her grandmother or even mother *if* she rely is ofc , is not to much near in the future now is it .
What ? rely Renko and Meribel lives in the future ? how so , don't they live in the present as well ? and saying this is her grandmother or even mother *if* she rely is ofc , is not to much near in the future now is it .
Probably not directly stated, but Renko and Mariabel's world is described as a world where human has used science to explain anything and mostly forgotten about magic and miracles.
They have completed the grand unified theory, able to build train tunnel under Mount Fuji and have tour to the Moon.
With those in mind, Mariabel and Renko likely live in time much later than ours.
Master_elite said: What ? rely Renko and Meribel lives in the future ? how so , don't they live in the present as well ? and saying this is her grandmother or even mother , is not to much near in the future now is it .
The Renko and Maribel canon happening in the future of the Outside World is established. There are various details mentioned that would only make sense for a near-future or a far-fature, given that the Outside World of contemporary Gensokyo is generally depicted as a mere divergent history (LikeRealityUnlessNoted). Examples that are considered modern to their storyline include the Lunar tours discussed in Magical Astronomy and an abandoned biodome space station visited in Trojan Green Asteroid.
Some of Maribel's escapades are related to "dream-state time travel" as well. There's evidence she has been to contemporary Gensokyo (her accounts) and our contemporary Gensokyo's past (Akyuu's accounts). Dream-travel and time travel are possibilities established in Perfect Memento and explored in Caged Lunatic's retelling of the story of Urashima Tarō, if you wish to search outside of the Secret Sealing Club's escapades.
As for the connection between Renko and Sumireko, they both belong to the same club from different times and have the same family name (and hat). Their connection may fall into the same speculation that Maribel has with Yukari if nothing else happens.
The Renko and Maribel canon happening in the future of the Outside World is established. There are various details mentioned that would only make sense for a near-future or a far-fature, given that the Outside World of contemporary Gensokyo is generally depicted as a mere divergent history (LikeRealityUnlessNoted). Examples that are considered modern to their storyline include the Lunar tours discussed in Magical Astronomy and an abandoned biodome space station visited in Trojan Green Asteroid.
Some of Maribel's escapades are related to "dream-state time travel" as well. There's evidence she has been to contemporary Gensokyo (her accounts) and our contemporary Gensokyo's past (Akyuu's accounts). Dream-travel and time travel are possibilities established in Perfect Memento and explored in Caged Lunatic's retelling of the story of Urashima Tarō, if you wish to search outside of the Secret Sealing Club's escapades.
As for the connection between Renko and Sumireko, they both belong to the same club from different times and have the same family name (and hat). Their connection may fall into the same speculation that Maribel has with Yukari if nothing else happens.
Are you sure ? , are you sure that all of that is rely true , or just your theory , bc i think it is kinda of an contradiction , since Zun doesn't appear to care all that much about continuity , in those music CD's that Renko and Meribel aren't they in the present world as well ? , i don't have them but it seems that way. btw how is LikeRealityUnlessNoted ? , ohh and i know about that story in Cage Lunatic , yes in there was time travel i think. However i will take your word since , it seems you are not one of those touhou crazy fans , that like to overblown things out of proportions and yes in their story , they do have apparently tours to the Moon and that abandoned space station , that i think exists in real life as well and is still working, yea it make sense and it can be true i guess , so forget what i said earlier, anyway thanks for the details.
Probably not directly stated, but Renko and Mariabel's world is described as a world where human has used science to explain anything and mostly forgotten about magic and miracles.
They have completed the grand unified theory, able to build train tunnel under Mount Fuji and have tour to the Moon.
With those in mind, Mariabel and Renko likely live in time much later than ours.
well to be honest, the outside world has stop believing and forgotten about the fantasy and magic even in the present times of the Touhou stories , that means in Renko's time the outside world has rely become uber poison for the fantasy beings.
Are you sure ? , are you sure that all of that is rely true , or just your theory , bc i think it is kinda of an contradiction , since Zun doesn't appear to care all that much about continuity , in those music CD's that Renko and Meribel aren't they in the present world as well ? , i don't have them but it seems that way. btw how is LikeRealityUnlessNoted ? , ohh and i know about that story in Cage Lunatic , yes in there was time travel i think. However i will take your word since , it seems you are not one of those touhou crazy fans , that like to overblown things out of proportions and yes in their story , they do have apparently tours to the Moon and that abandoned space station , that i think exists in real life as well and is still working, yea it make sense and it can be true i guess so forget what i said earlier.
FJH is right. Maribel and Renko's stories are set in the future.
FJH is right. Maribel and Renko's stories are set in the future.
I know man , don't need to be told again. Also here is the biggest quastion of them all.
But is Reimu and the other human characters still eternally 16-17 years old in Renko's and her friend time ? we may never know , but prob they are as usual. It will be forever an unsolved incident , the impossible one not even ZUN himself can solve it lol .
I know man , don't need to be told again. Also here is the biggest quastion of them all.
But is Reimu and the other human characters still eternally 16-17 years old in Renko's and her friend time ? we may never know , but prob they are as usual. It will be forever an unsolved incident , the impossible one not even ZUN himself can solve it lol .
What? There's no mention of Reimu in the music CDs, Maribel's meeting with both Mokou and Sakuya might be closer to time travel to past Gensokyo like that note in Akyuu's Chronicle, and the time still moves forward in Touhou canon when we see the dates of newspaper clippings and Kanako's saying that MoF was 4 years prior Symposium. If anything, Reimu and Marisa are about 25+ right now, but it doesn't visible because ZUN's artistic 'talent'
Maribel and Renko's world has visible futuristic wonders like the trains having holographic projector, strawberry doesn't exist naturally, the TORIFUNE Satellite was being a full-blown space colony but abandoned and lost, physics being a dead subject because there's nothing new can be found from it, and Stephen Hawkins was spoken in past tense. Meanwhile, Sumireko's time has a more 'present' taste of the Outside World; her gun is 3D printed and not laser-guided, she takes selfie with a tablet, the simple fact that she recognizes Hasshaku-sama despite the creepypasta is pretty niche in the 2chan imageboard.
The only 'present' person of Gensokyo that interact with Maribel and Renko and not the otherwise is Yuyuko in that one illustration of Symposium, which is not a good indication of what time of Gensokyo does it connected to the duo's Outside World.
What? There's no mention of Reimu in the music CDs, Maribel's meeting with both Mokou and Sakuya might be closer to time travel to past Gensokyo like that note in Akyuu's Chronicle, and the time still moves forward in Touhou canon when we see the dates of newspaper clippings and Kanako's saying that MoF was 6 years prior Symposium. If anything, Reimu and Marisa are about 25+ right now, but it doesn't visible because ZUN's artistic 'talent'
Maribel and Renko's world has visible futuristic wonders like the trains having holographic projector, strawberry doesn't exist naturally, the TORIFUNE Satellite was being a full-blown space colony but abandoned and lost, physics being a dead subject because there's nothing new can be found from it, and Stephen Hawkins was spoken in past sentence. Meanwhile, Sumireko's time has a more 'present' taste of the Outside World; her gun is 3D printed and not laser-guided, she takes selfie with a tablet, the simple fact that she recognizes Hasshaku-sama despite the creepypasta is pretty niche in the 2chan imageboard.
The only 'present' person of Gensokyo that interact with Maribel and Renko and not the otherwise is Yuyuko in that one illustration of Symposium, which is not a good indication of what time of Gensokyo does it connected to the duo's Outside World.
Okay i don't know what the hell you wrote that much , and was comp unecessary exp things such as 2chan ? what and i should care about that ? and you clearly didn't read my comments and understand . No i am pretty sure he wants them eternally at that age lol since he doesn't rely care all that much but whatever you say man , don't take shit seriously okay ? You said basically what the others has said as well , i get it and i know calm down and don't jump at my neck like in an ''fanboy mode'' or ''buthurt mode'' (not saying you rely are one okay ) btw from were are all those extra details , from the music CD's ? bc from what i read , it didn't say anything of laser guns , holographic projectors etc from what i remember and Sumireko has a gun ? bc from what i saw she doesn't seems to have one . I thanks you for the extra detail but it wasn't rely necessary that wall of text to he honest imo
Okay i don't know what the hell you wrote that much , and was comp unecessary exp things such as 2chan ? what and i should care about that ? and you clearly didn't read my comments and understand . No i am pretty sure he wants them eternally at that age lol since he doesn't rely care all that much but whatever you say man , don't take shit seriously okay ? You said basically what the others has said as well , i get it and i know calm down and don't jump at my neck like in an ''fanboy mode'' or ''buthurt mode'' (not saying you rely are one okay ) btw from were are all those extra details , from the music CD's ? bc from what i read , it didn't say anything of laser guns , holographic projectors etc from what i remember and Sumireko has a gun ? bc from what i saw she doesn't seems to have one . I thanks you for the extra detail but it wasn't rely necessary that wall of text to he honest imo
You keep saying how ZUN doesn't know what he's writing and reject when the facts are laid out for you. You sound like another "Fan" that just rejects the Touhou Canon and call him a "bad writer". The Contuinity is there, but "Hardcore" fans just keep wanting to believe that Touhou is a Yuri series full of rainbows and sunshine.
Canon doesn't only exists in the games, it exists all the mediums as well. It's not our fault if you dont' want to read up on all of it.
I remember the whole Momiji fiasco when "Fans" didn't want to accept Zun's canon Momiji personality just because she wasn't a puppy loyal character that the fandom made Momiji out to be. Just like how Alice isn't a Yandere in canon, that doesn't stop cirlces from constantly making Alice into a Yandere.
Look, those are proofs DAS58 was giving to you, and it's clear that you're the one who obviously didn't go for other canon mediums to know all about this, and yet you call them unnecessary stuff while saying that ZUN doesn't care all that much about his works. What's wrong with you man? And yes, Sumireko has a gun, a 3d-printed one. Go play the game yourself or watch a gameplay and look closely.
Okay was that hard to do ? thanks , btw if you all people read all of my comments you would know that i know that i get it , chill out, ,i just asked a question and was confused , with was about if Renko lives in the present or not , yet you all crazy people jump at me with other stuff , with again were unnecessary and btw no by this time they should be 34 or 35 actually.
No hard feelings but is something wrong with you ? since when i said that ZUN don't know what he is doing ? and if i said i was referring about the human characters how they are unchanging , with is true , he doesn't seem to care about that at all , the continuity( not saying it is necessary bad bc it would prob be strange to actually have a full grown mature adult Reimu , Marisa etc, if ZUN wants to keep making games with them but like it or not it dose not make sense at all if we look from other pov) I never call him a bad writer at all , touhou is not a yuri series yes but is pretty ''sunshine'' and ''rainbows'' yes not fully but , is not some dark and serious stuff with gore and all of that , that is not how ZUN works . Learn to read and try not to jump to false assumptions people and go ape shit , bc i simply am not all that into it and don't have the time to look into every little detail , so i apologies for that if it makes you fell any better and yes i know that there is more to the canon outside of the games ex: the mangas , with i read . I actually don't like all that much many of the fan-made stuff , exp the rely idiotic ones imo that ruins the characters personalities , god-mode them , change comp the stories etc and their are the good ones as well that i like and have some respect for what ZUN's work rely is but i guess , this kind of behavior is typical for the fandom right ? if someone is not a big or crazy fan you jump on him like a madman , expected . Now if you ever come at me like that again ,expect to get ignored no hard feelings. Again calm down people ,you made your points.