Are They poking fun of the free Windows 10 upgrade?
As was pointed earlier the (in)voluntary upgrading. MS has been progressively making it more likely you'll end up upgrading than saying no to the upgrade. The most recent change is that the default now is "yes, upgrade" and it'll schedule your computer to upgrade unless you mess around in some buried options to cancel it. Closing the window with the X doesn't do it, because that's just agreeing to the default which is "yes, upgrade".
Run Never10 (from Gibson Research Corporation) and nuke that motherf****** no-good c*cksucking adware trojan S.O.B. GWX process from orbit (before the upgrade, or after the revert). It performs the necessary changes in the buried group policy and registry settings for you, so there's no need to mess around yourself.
(And of course, make sure it's the correct program and not something else masquerading as it. Virus scans, signed certs, MD5 hashes, etc.)
And if for some reason you have a change in heart and wish to join the M$ botnet, well, Never10 lets you revert those changes easily as well.
OskarVanBruce said:
It's been proven and continue to get worse how much of a botnet Windows 10 is
Some of the servers the 'telemetry' data is sent to belong to Autodesk, Amazon, Cloudflare, Comodo, EdgeCast, Highwinds, etc. You can sort of justify the data being sent to some of them (but not THAT many of them, all at once) since they provide network and cloud-computing solutions (for M$, presumably in this case), but Autodesk is highly suspect, because, IIRC, it DOESN't. It just sells software (AutoCAD and the like).
I stopped caring about the Windows 10 botnet crap when I remembered that Google does the exact same thing and will get your information no matter if you use NoScript, uBlock Origin, uMatrix, or any of that stuff. Hell, just solving CAPTCHAs gives them your information.
It's a lost cause over something you can never escape from.
If you're absolutely paranoid about privacy but not enough tech-savvy, you might want to take a look at this page from FSF. The only functional out-of-box end user machines most unlikely to have built-in NSA backdoors that I've found on the web so far. Unfortunately, the hardware specs are less than sparkling-new, but at least it does the job. if HW is what you want you'd have to mod a Lenovo ThinkPad from motherboard up. And even after all this effort, websites you browse won't just leave you alone.
Also Windows 10 don't allow you to play games or use apps that have SafeDisc or SecuROM as copy protections, which is why my gaming PC dual-boots Windows 10 Home installed on the main internal hard drive and Windows 7 Home Premium on a another internal hard drive so I won't regret upgrading my gaming PC's main hard drive to Windows 10 and not being able to run older games and if necessary older apps.
I stopped caring about the Windows 10 botnet crap when I remembered that Google does the exact same thing and will get your information no matter if you use NoScript, uBlock Origin, uMatrix, or any of that stuff. Hell, just solving CAPTCHAs gives them your information.
It's a lost cause over something you can never escape from.
Well, Windows 10 has access to my hard drive, while Google (and other websites) doesn't. It's sort of like the difference between being observed and tracked outside my house (where there's less expectation of privacy, and surfing the Internet is sort of analogous to being in public), and having my privacy invaded while I'm inside the house and changing my furniture and interior furnishings because they think they know better. The former is disturbing but tolerable; the latter is simply outrageous.
And they can't even change the furnishings right. Forced driver updates that break things, forced OS updates that break things, forced reinstall of the whole OS which incidentally 'uninstalls' any programs it deems incompatible (FUCK YOU Threshold 2), etc etc. Bah.
(And Windows 10 also hijacks your bandwidth to distribute updates unless you explicitly tell it not to. Using the house analogy, it steals your electricity and helps itself to your fridge. Sure, it claims that it doesn't do so if it detects a metered connection, but face it, nearly every ISP has some sort of bandwidth cap anyway, even if you're on unmetered.)
Yes, I tried out Windows 10 before. Reverted soon after using a disk clone. I ain't gettin' electrocuted in my own house.
(Metaphorically speaking, but I wouldn't be surprised if M$ managed to fuck this up for someone in the future.)
Well, Windows 10 has access to my hard drive, while Google (and other websites) doesn't. It's sort of like the difference between being observed and tracked outside my house (where there's less expectation of privacy, and surfing the Internet is sort of analogous to being in public), and having my privacy invaded while I'm inside the house and changing my furniture and interior furnishings because they think they know better. The former is disturbing but tolerable; the latter is simply outrageous.
And they can't even change the furnishings right. Forced driver updates that break things, forced OS updates that break things, forced reinstall of the whole OS which incidentally 'uninstalls' any programs it deems incompatible (FUCK YOU Threshold 2), etc etc. Bah.
(And Windows 10 also hijacks your bandwidth to distribute updates unless you explicitly tell it not to. Using the house analogy, it steals your electricity and helps itself to your fridge. Sure, it claims that it doesn't do so if it detects a metered connection, but face it, nearly every ISP has some sort of bandwidth cap anyway, even if you're on unmetered.)
Yes, I tried out Windows 10 before. Reverted soon after using a disk clone. I ain't gettin' electrocuted in my own house.
(Metaphorically speaking, but I wouldn't be surprised if M$ managed to fuck this up for someone in the future.)
Well, Windows 10 has access to my hard drive, while Google (and other websites) doesn't. It's sort of like the difference between being observed and tracked outside my house (where there's less expectation of privacy, and surfing the Internet is sort of analogous to being in public), and having my privacy invaded while I'm inside the house and changing my furniture and interior furnishings because they think they know better. The former is disturbing but tolerable; the latter is simply outrageous.
And they can't even change the furnishings right. Forced driver updates that break things, forced OS updates that break things, forced reinstall of the whole OS which incidentally 'uninstalls' any programs it deems incompatible (FUCK YOU Threshold 2), etc etc. Bah.
(And Windows 10 also hijacks your bandwidth to distribute updates unless you explicitly tell it not to. Using the house analogy, it steals your electricity and helps itself to your fridge. Sure, it claims that it doesn't do so if it detects a metered connection, but face it, nearly every ISP has some sort of bandwidth cap anyway, even if you're on unmetered.)
Yes, I tried out Windows 10 before. Reverted soon after using a disk clone. I ain't gettin' electrocuted in my own house.
(Metaphorically speaking, but I wouldn't be surprised if M$ managed to fuck this up for someone in the future.)
That's because Windows 10 Home has no option for you to defer updates or upgrades, only Windows 10 Pro, Education or Enterprise has that option built-in and you can't defer updates in those said Windows 10 editions for let's say until you want to install them.
That's because Windows 10 Home has no option for you to defer updates or upgrades, only Windows 10 Pro, Education or Enterprise has that option built-in and you can't defer updates in those said Windows 10 editions for let's say until you want to install them.
Spoilered for salt
"Dear Windows 10 Home users, you're now pressganged into becoming our new unpaid beta testers for our corporate customers (who actually pay). No, you don't get a say on this, unless you pay $99 to upgrade your version of the operating system.
What, complaining? You got this for free anyway. You're free to downgrade."
"But I got mine from the OEM copy! I paid for this!"
"Tough luck, kiddo. Should've gotten one with Pro OEM copy instead. You can always paid another $99."
"Dear Corporate users (and richguys + poor students/teachers), please be aware that while you can defer your upgrades, you cannot do so indefinitely. Upgrades will be automatically installed once several months has passed. We assure you that they will be substantially tested (by our unpaid labor force) to ensure maximum satisfaction for you, our beloved paying customers (and charity receivers)."
Doing fine with Windows 10. Not sure if it's because I made a fresh install on a new computer or the methods in which I got it. Gotta stop worrying and love the bomb.
Searchwanted said:
Hail HYDRA?
I guess Danbooru thinks much like Reddit?
Seems to be more NNescio all flustered up about this. Reminds me more of /g/.
Doing fine with Windows 10. Not sure if it's because I made a fresh install on a new computer or the methods in which I got it. Gotta stop worrying and love the bomb.
Seems to be more NNescio all flustered up about this. Reminds me more of /g/.
If you made a fresh install of Windows 10, then your PC would not have much problems with the exception of driver files for certain hardware.
But for those who upgraded their PCs directly to Windows 10, they face micro stuttering and slowness in their PCs sometimes because of the upgrade backups and files that's not recommended by Microsoft to be deleted or else they cannot downgrade to their previous version of Windows or easily troubleshoot post-upgrade errors.
"Dear Windows 10 Home users, you're now pressganged into becoming our new unpaid beta testers for our corporate customers (who actually pay). No, you don't get a say on this, unless you pay $99 to upgrade your version of the operating system.
What, complaining? You got this for free anyway. You're free to downgrade."
"But I got mine from the OEM copy! I paid for this!"
"Tough luck, kiddo. Should've gotten one with Pro OEM copy instead. You can always paid another $99."
"Dear Corporate users (and richguys + poor students/teachers), please be aware that while you can defer your upgrades, you cannot do so indefinitely. Upgrades will be automatically installed once several months has passed. We assure you that they will be substantially tested (by our unpaid labor force) to ensure maximum satisfaction for you, our beloved paying customers (and charity receivers)."
Also those "unpaid beta testers" and "unpaid labor force" are mostly Windows Insiders who are testing the Preview versions of future Windows 10 builds for before Microsoft has a finalized build released for us to install.
If you made a fresh install of Windows 10, then your PC would not have much problems with the exception of driver files for certain hardware.
But for those who upgraded their PCs directly to Windows 10, they face micro stuttering and slowness in their PCs sometimes because of the upgrade backups and files that's not recommended by Microsoft to be deleted or else they cannot downgrade to their previous version of Windows or easily troubleshoot post-upgrade errors.
Notably, Windows would force-update drivers to older versions because it doesn't recognize the new one.
sammyG said:
Also those "unpaid beta testers" and "unpaid labor force" are mostly Windows Insiders who are testing the Preview versions of future Windows 10 builds for before Microsoft has a finalized build released for us to install.
'Finalized' builds like Threshold 2 might as well be betas because of the sheer number of problems they cause. You turn on your machine, your find your machine bricked or some critical software you need to run unable to do so, congratulations, you're now a beta tester. Gee, I wonder how those builds even made out of the slow ring.
I mean, sure, software manufacturers push for automated updates all the time, and they frequently mess up as well (with users of 'experimental builds' not catching the bugs), but a bricked browser (gee, that's what my second browser is for) or game (oh well, time to play another game instead) is less of an issue than a bricked OS.
(Dual booting doesn't really help because some of your programs can't be run on the other OS. Unless, well, it's an older edition of Windows, so you might as well just use that older edition instead).
Microsoft has a long bad track record of updates bricking machines. Epic ones (Pre Win10) are documented here. So, generally, the best approach before Win10 was to adopt a wait-and-see approach to updates, and not install any updates unless it's absolutely critical. This includes security updates -- the most recent ones have some amount of risk (at least, more risk than using your computer without the security update, assuming good computer practice and proper use of antivirus + sandboxing + firewalls).
I mean, I know it's kinda unfair to an OS manufacturer because of sheer combinatorial explosion—no other piece of software interacts with so many other different software and hardware, so bugs will invariably slip through. And sometimes it's more the fault of other software manufacturers anyway. But this very reason is why strongarming your userbase into installing updates is bad, because you can't catch all the possible bugs, and those bugs have the potential to completely brick a user's machine and preventing him from doing any valuable work (or homework) for the rest of the day.
cirno_goes_in_fridge said:
Install Gentoo, problem solved.
I need to use ChemDraw. Also SigmaPlot and SigmaStat.
That's NOT "problem solved". Not everyone out there is happy with DIY philosophy, or rather only a small fraction of the population is. I mean, at least recommend OpenBSD or something.
Windows 10 is vastly superior to windows 8, but 7 is still the king in my books.
That's because that's Microsoft's business model ever since ME: Release a new version that actually tries to do new things, fail miserably, and then make a new version that's basically the same as the old one but not as shit.
Release ME -> Release XP as an apology. Release Vista -> Release 7 as an apology. (Fun fact: 7 is just Vista with an update pack to make UAC less annoying.) Release 8 -> Release 10 (which is pretty much the same thing with the most annoying crap toned down) and give it away for free to really, really try to say they're so totally sorry and not going to totally do this again next time.
What's sad/hilarious is that 8 was made to "unify all platforms" so that their shitty Windows phones nobody uses could try to gain some marketplace advantage, and now they're basically closing up shop on the Windows phone concept after admitting total defeat.
That's because that's Microsoft's business model ever since ME: Release a new version that actually tries to do new things, fail miserably, and then make a new version that's basically the same as the old one but not as shit.
Release ME -> Release XP as an apology. Release Vista -> Release 7 as an apology. (Fun fact: 7 is just Vista with an update pack to make UAC less annoying.) Release 8 -> Release 10 (which is pretty much the same thing with the most annoying crap toned down) and give it away for free to really, really try to say they're so totally sorry and not going to totally do this again next time.
What's sad/hilarious is that 8 was made to "unify all platforms" so that their shitty Windows phones nobody uses could try to gain some marketplace advantage, and now they're basically closing up shop on the Windows phone concept after admitting total defeat.
No. And wrong. Layoffs at Microsoft Mobile=/=Microsoft admitting defeat that the Windows phone concept failed. 3rd-party OEMs like HP, BLU and Acer etc. are still making and supporting phones using Windows 10 Mobile.
Also Microsoft is just discontinuing the "Lumia" name because they don't have rights to use the "Nokia" brand name that made the phone series famous, they will have plans to release new Windows phones but not with the "Lumia" name anymore.
Judging from what gets downboated, yeah. This site is just imageboard Leddit.
Actually some of my comments also faced the same voting abuse and I agree with you, that's not right!
cirno_goes_in_fridge said:
That's the problem with comment voting, nobody uses it the way it was intended. The original idea was for informative comments to be the most visible while irrelevant ones sink to the bottom, but everyone treats it as a like/dislike button instead. That kind of system promotes groupthink by rewarding safe, unoffensive comments with visibility while controversial thoughts are punished with invisibility.
The end result is a polite but stagnant community that closes their eyes and plugs their ears whenever they see or hear something that makes them uncomfortable. In other words, Reddit.
The problem with comment voting on Danbooru and Safebooru is people upvote what comments they like and downvote what comments they don't like.
Also if the users here still wanna abuse their downvotes, then one of us should suggest to albert to upgrade the comment system to be based on the old version of Disqus; instead of the downvotes making comments invisible, put vote counting to tally how many upvotes and downvotes that comment received and comment moderation if the comment have too many downvotes. That'll be fair to us who waste that bit of time making comments and fair to those downvote abusers too!
I wrote my own tool that is like Never10 that does the same thing, but modding the registry (although it would ultimately be the same way Never10 does using Group Policy)
I also have Spybot AntiBeacon installed and immunized my machine as much as possible. My laptop has Windows 10, while I run Gentoo on my workstation and Windows 8.1 off a USB Hard Disk (via Windows To Go).
But I will agree the Upgrade notice is a big pain in the arse and becoming a forced upgrade, just resist until June 29 and all the upgrade notifications will bugger off... Otherwise Tooko (the OS-tan for Windows 10) will be getting a big one up her ass.
Guys, if you find KB3035583 patch annoying simply uninstall it and block it. Problem solved, easier than learning bugged unorthodox way of doing distros from zero.
About commenting, well at least is not a pretend to be a happy place where all agree each other, just like Disqus where negative votes don't exist.
About commenting, well at least is not a pretend to be a happy place where all agree each other, just like Disqus where negative votes don't exist.
If you're talking about the new and current version of Disqus, that's not the idea I'm suggesting. I'm suggesting that the commenting system here be changed to something based on the old version of Disqus, not the newer, current version where downvotes don't exist. I hope you re-read my previous comment and you'll understand what I'm talking about.
Guys, if you find KB3035583 patch annoying simply uninstall it and block it. Problem solved, easier than learning bugged unorthodox way of doing distros from zero.
About commenting, well at least is not a pretend to be a happy place where all agree each other, just like Disqus where negative votes don't exist.
i've had to block that specific "patch" about... maybe 5 or 6 times in the past few months or so. it's gotten to the point where i've memorized the KB number and can pretty much block it on "reaction" now.
(Dual booting doesn't really help because some of your programs can't be run on the other OS. Unless, well, it's an older edition of Windows, so you might as well just use that older edition instead).
I still use Windows 10 in my gaming PC so that when DirectX 12 is popular among game companies to develop games using that, I don't need to worry about buying a Windows 10 System Builder DVD and install Windows cleanly again while I dual boot the PC with Windows 8.1 to play older games without any worries.
Also, for those who have PCs with Windows 8.1, 7 or Vista installed, you must also avoid KB3086255 as it is a patch that disables the SECDRV.SYS file from allowing old games and apps that use SecuROM or SafeDisc as copy protections to run. If that patch is installed, just search 'KB3086255' in 'Installed updates', uninstall it and hide it from the 'Important' Windows Update list when it appears again.
Windows 10 screws me up I rather get windows 8 back
You sbould know by now that Windows 10 is no longer a free upgrade and if you live in a country where Microsoft is prohibited from distributing the full version which is in a USB flash drive, you are forced to buy the System Builder OEM version to do a clean upgrade unless you can find a way to do a in-place upgrade with a System Builder version of Windows.
You sbould know by now that Windows 10 is no longer a free upgrade and if you live in a country where Microsoft is prohibited from distributing the full version which is in a USB flash drive, you are forced to buy the System Builder OEM version to do a clean upgrade unless you can find a way to do a in-place upgrade with a System Builder version of Windows.
Athought this comment has been posted 4 years ago, I want to say "Thank You"!
I remember years ago when I just disabled updates to not deal with this problem, that PC eventually crashed and stopped working well. I am a Windows 7 type of user, who only upgraded to Windows 10 in October 2020, after the Windows 7 EOL. I still use Windows 7 a decent amount of time, but Windows 10 is my main OS now. It seems to not be super bad after 5 years of updates and progress. Windows 7 is still my favorite, but Windows 10 works as well.
sammyG said:
You sbould know by now that Windows 10 is no longer a free upgrade and if you live in a country where Microsoft is prohibited from distributing the full version which is in a USB flash drive, you are forced to buy the System Builder OEM version to do a clean upgrade unless you can find a way to do a in-place upgrade with a System Builder version of Windows.
They actually never turned off the free updates. You can download the Windows 10 install tool for Windows and it lets you upgrade any Windows 7 or 8 PC to Windows 10 for free. Alternatively, you can directly plug in any Windows 7 or 8 key and it works for a full Windows 10 activation to this day. My current Windows 10 install is using a Windows 7 Professional key, and the PC that I plan to build in the future will be using a Windows 7 Home Premium key.
I remember years ago when I just disabled updates to not deal with this problem, that PC eventually crashed and stopped working well. I am a Windows 7 type of user, who only upgraded to Windows 10 in October 2020, after the Windows 7 EOL. I still use Windows 7 a decent amount of time, but Windows 10 is my main OS now. It seems to not be super bad after 5 years of updates and progress. Windows 7 is still my favorite, but Windows 10 works as well.
That's a bit of a relief, Elden Ring refuses to work online on 7 and it pisses me off. And to launch it on 7, I need something like 5 different softwares or something, with Vulkan and stuff. What a pain.
