This is... Chaos

November is Coming...

Trump is asome sort of Gil-offshoot, but is Hillary cosplayed as any specific witch?

This is simply magnificent.

The ghost-dog is apparently Mike Pence's recently passed beagle.

*sigh*
With all the shit that is happening in America the only thing that is bringing me peace is knowing that a week after judgement day, Pokemon Sun and Moon will come out.

Thank you gamefreak, thank you nintendo. Even if everything is to go to the shitter, it is nice to know that there is a glimmer of hope at the end of this very long, and very dark tunnel.

No matter who wins, the result will be vastly amusing to the rest of us.

Plus if Donald wins, WWIII will probably be postponed.

chodorov said:

The ghost-dog is apparently Mike Pence's recently passed beagle.

I came across a comments section pouring vitriol on the old buster ( of whom I had never heard of until Trump pulled him up on stage Courteney Cox style ) implying he never loved the dog; the dog was terrified; the dog was lucky to die because Pence was too selfish to spend time with him; Trump poisoned the dog as a food-taster like Hitler, cos, Never Forget, Trump is exactly like Adolf Hitler; Pence had his dog killed to garner sympathy from the voters; Trump probably kicks dogs; Pence gave his dog AIDS... etc., etc..

And they wonder, like Hillary, why people who detest the Randian right wing dislike them just as much...

Aw man, I totally forgot about this artist! I wanted to follow his images along with the race.

This image cheers me up since literally just 2 hours ago some asshole kids stole my Trump lawn signs. I mean, I sort of expected it would happen sooner or later being in a liberal city (I have backups) but it still pissed me off. Luckily there is moe to distract me from the cancer of reality.

EDIT: Bwahaha! Fox News lying down going through an existential crisis in the middle of the conflict. I absolutely love how accurately this artist expresses the political field so well and humorously.

79248cm/s said:

Aw man, I totally forgot about this artist! I wanted to follow his images along with the race.

This image cheers me up since literally just 2 hours ago some asshole kids stole my Trump lawn signs. I mean, I sort of expected it would happen sooner or later being in a liberal city (I have backups) but it still pissed me off. Luckily there is moe to distract me from the cancer of reality.

EDIT: Bwahaha! Fox News lying down going through an existential crisis in the middle of the conflict. I absolutely love how accurately this artist expresses the political field so well and humorously.

Sorry about your sign man. I'm not a Trump supporter myself but asshole moves like that are asshole.

NegativeSoul said:

Sorry about your sign man. I'm not a Trump supporter myself but asshole moves like that are asshole.

Indeed, that's not even Democratic. In democracy even those crazy guys who will take their firearms to force an election if Trump wouldn't win should exist. Just because some Republicans do such dictatorship moves, it doesn't justify to reach that low level.

79248cm/s said:

Aw man, I totally forgot about this artist! I wanted to follow his images along with the race.

This image cheers me up since literally just 2 hours ago some asshole kids stole my Trump lawn signs. I mean, I sort of expected it would happen sooner or later being in a liberal city (I have backups) but it still pissed me off. Luckily there is moe to distract me from the cancer of reality.

EDIT: Bwahaha! Fox News lying down going through an existential crisis in the middle of the conflict. I absolutely love how accurately this artist expresses the political field so well and humorously.

Agreed with the others, sorry to hear your sign was stolen. It's just disheartening to hear when people resort to acts like that and somehow think they can justify it. Not sure why it's so easy for people to forget the golden rule of treating others as you'd want to be treated yourself.

I've been thinking for a few months now that no matter who wins, there will be blood... :(

I hope I'm wrong though...

Claverhouse said:
And they wonder, like Hillary, why people who detest the Randian right wing dislike them just as much...

Do they really wonder? I always assumed they were ambivalent about this or don't even realize it. I also don't know what the 'Randian right wing' is; are these the Republicans who want to wantonly slash social programs?

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chodorov said:

Do they really wonder? I always assumed they were ambivalent about this or don't even realize it. I also don't know what the 'Randian right wing' is; are these the Republicans who want to wantonly slash social programs?

Pretty much so, the Koch Bros' love-children, like Ryan and Walker etc. etc. --- incidentally Trump cutting down the whole field of rivals like Spanish Flu was enormously delightful --- anyway, we know why they are disliked, whether one agrees or disagrees with them, and they know too; but lefties always believe they are so personally correct they are mass beloved and only bigots will disagree on any issue. And bigots are so vile one can accuse them of anything and win applause. And acquaint their heads with the pavement.

ithekro said:

November is Coming...

And the last thing I want to see is a "Victory" post with the ship ladies chained to the Clinton hag.

Go Trump.

IsThisName? said:

This is... Chaos

I would call it... Glorious.

Bernie Sanders as some sort of druid shaman and Chris Christie on the other side as a dumpy knight dual-wielding submachine guns. This is an awesome image I never could have imagined would exist.

Shinjidude said:

Bernie Sanders as some sort of druid shaman and Chris Christie on the other side as a dumpy knight dual-wielding submachine guns. This is an awesome image I never could have imagined would exist.

The interesting part is that Sanders' role didn't have to be fictionalized for this image!

Does it mean something that the Clinton side is techno-wizard-robots and the Trump side is largely kinetic weaponry?

I still don't understand why people are supporting trump.

He's an actual literal dictionary defintion con-man. A "gain your confidence and steal your money" con-man and always has been. This isn't some "evil lefty communist hippy propaganda" either, this is his actual history that anyone who isn't blinded by political bias could see if they did the research.

What next, are Gordon Gekko or an Enron executive going to run for office?

TheGame7 said:

I still don't understand why people are supporting trump.

He's an actual literal dictionary defintion con-man. A "gain your confidence and steal your money" con-man and always has been. This isn't some "evil lefty communist hippy propaganda" either, this is his actual history that anyone who isn't blinded by political bias could see if they did the research.

For the same reason people supported Bernie Sanders: because people who break all the rules and piss off all the people who maintain the status quo are heroes.

TheGame7 said:

I still don't understand why people are supporting trump.

He's an actual literal dictionary defintion con-man. A "gain your confidence and steal your money" con-man and always has been. This isn't some "evil lefty communist hippy propaganda" either, this is his actual history that anyone who isn't blinded by political bias could see if they did the research.

What next, are Gordon Gekko or an Enron executive going to run for office?

Different people have different reasons.

Each and every person have their own choices and reasons, all are entitled to it(at least in America...still). The only time when it becomes unacceptable is when violence is used and I don't think that's right, whether they're Democrats or Republicans, supporting Hillary or Trump or anyone else for that matter.

Keo said:

Different people have different reasons.

While most of those are true, there is one other major reason that is broader than this election, alone:

A great many voters are "low-information voters" (read: they don't know anything about the candidates, and hate hearing about them,) that vote based solely upon economic factors in their lives. People like this vote for the incumbent party when times are good for them, and vote for the opposition party when times are bad. According to the book Political Animals, this can apply even to things nobody would rationally associate with politics, like whether your favorite sports team is having a good season or the weather on voting day can have an impact on whether low-information voters go for the incumbent party or challenger party.

The effect is established enough that groups like Moodys predict the president based largely upon factors like the price of gasoline (which is at a relative low) rather than polling.

Because Trump particularly made this an election about challenging the establishment, and tying Clinton to the concept of economic status quo, it created an even more exacerbated effect. Colorado and Virginia were supposed to be "swing states" this cycle, but quickly became "safely blue" because they are states experiencing economic growth, and who therefore didn't feel the desperation to upset the status quo. States in the more economically destitute "Rust Belt", like Michigan and Wisconsin, were normally "solid blue", but are closer to swing states this cycle.

Tonight.....

Aaand I guess, that's it - media says Trump won. Waiting for the next post from this artist :3

That said, don't despair, guys. If things really go south, impeachment is always available.

Type-kun said:

Aaand I guess, that's it - media says Trump won. Waiting for the next post from this artist :3

That said, don't despair, guys. If things really go south, impeachment is always available.

Impeachment is hardly the quick and easy magic fix-everything spell people seem to think it is, nowadays. Even Nixon, the only American president ever removed from office by the threat of one, required essentially three straight years of investigation (with administration staff falling on their swords the whole time) to get to that point.

It's honestly even less feasible than a "do over" Brexit vote.

Pennsylvania basically sealed it with Wisconsin ending it, so I imagine several key battleships to be in the next picture.

Type-kun said:

Aaand I guess, that's it - media says Trump won. Waiting for the next post from this artist :3

That said, don't despair, guys. If things really go south, impeachment is always available.

It's not just Trump, it's those that come along with him. I'm okay with Trump since he's endless entertainment, but it's Mike Pence that I do not want to see in full power, knowing what religious zealots that try to mix religion and government do. Even if he will be the one doing much of the work, at least there is peace of mind that he's still Trump's little bitch and unlike Cheney and Bush, Trump is someone whose ego is too big for him to let someone else try to control him.

Impeachment is more of a benefit if it is to happen to Trump. If the moment it goes south and Trump is just let go, it'll be no different than what that cocksucking bastard Nigel Fuckwad did after Brexit when he just bailed immediately after the shit hit the fan. No, I rather they keep Trump in it for everything he will and would do.

He's America's major choice and what America should stick with for the next 4 years regardless of what happens and Trump, his supporters and the whole government should know that.

Oh well, Hillary tried. I guess Americans are okay with a guy who pushes racism, xenophobia, is just generally insulting to anyone around him, as long as he can make "America Great Again."

I suppose while we're ready for a black president we just aren't ready for a female one.

That being said we can't give up. America can change for the better, we're just going to have to push even harder to make up for what I guess was low voter turn out.

I just hope that Trump supporters are ready for what's to come and in four years aren't regretting his presidency.

And I hope Trump is ready for what's to come. If he thought running for president was hard than he has no idea how hard it'll be to actually be president. Personally, I don't think he can handle that level of scrutiny.

And maybe this'll be a wake up call to those who didn't vote because they were finicky about Hillary. It shows you can't take anything for granted just because something isn't the best.

Here's to hoping Trump can be somewhat reasonable, if it's even in him.

Keo said:

He's America's major choice and what America should stick with for the next 4 years regardless of what happens and Trump, his supporters and the whole government should know that.

The problem is, it's not just the people who made that choice that live with the consequences.

For starters, in response to Trump, Turkey (and likely much of the rest of the Middle East is soon to follow) is shutting America out of crucial bases it needs to launch attacks against ISIS. Syria and Iraq didn't vote for Trump, but guess who has to live with the consequences?

There's also the way that the global economy is going to react - look how the markets reacted to Brexit, and realize that as soon people realized Trump might win, the futures markets were hitting the emergency brakes shutting off trading due to what a freefall they were in. The simple act of electing Trump could cause another global recession.

Then, there's the fact that Trump will basically gift-wrap the Baltic and give it as a present to daddy Putin for getting him elected...

That's before Trump even takes office!

How the West was Lost.

Godspeed, motherfuckers. Good luck surviving the next decade.

NWSiaCB said:

The problem is, it's not just the people who made that choice that live with the consequences.

For starters, in response to Trump, Turkey (and likely much of the rest of the Middle East is soon to follow) is shutting America out of crucial bases it needs to launch attacks against ISIS. Syria and Iraq didn't vote for Trump, but guess who has to live with the consequences?

There's also the way that the global economy is going to react - look how the markets reacted to Brexit, and realize that as soon people realized Trump might win, the futures markets were hitting the emergency brakes shutting off trading due to what a freefall they were in. The simple act of electing Trump could cause another global recession.

Then, there's the fact that Trump will basically gift-wrap the Baltic and give it as a present to daddy Putin for getting him elected...

That's before Trump even takes office!

People got too caught up in the whole "Make America great again" idea that they kind of forgot that America isn't alone in the world. We live in international times, like it or not, and now that Trump is president Americans will have to live with the consequences of how every other country sees us and how that's gonna affect EVERYTHING.

To be fair, it's much too early to see how things will go in the future, but what's happening now does not bode well.

NegativeSoul said:

And I hope Trump is ready for what's to come. If he thought running for president was hard than he has no idea how hard it'll be to actually be president. Personally, I don't think he can handle that level of scrutiny.

I'm pretty sure a billionaire can handle himself better than politicians who never experienced the real world outside the insulation of bureaucracy. The only faults of Trump are just blatant lies from the media's brainwashing campaign. Anyone can cross reference and see all the contradictions the media put out this past year. They tried this same shit against Reagan, literally the same lines Hillary used is what was used against Reagan decades ago: "do you want him pushing the button?" "he isn't fit for office!" etc. I mean, he can't be worse than Obama who screwed up the entire world by sticking the US into matters that doesn't concern us.

NegativeSoul said:

what I guess was low voter turn out.

You might be on the nose. The map I'm looking at has 114 million votes, might be 115 with the third party candidates (22% of Utah voted for Evan McMullan? What?). That's the lowest for a presidential election since 2000 (that was under 102 million). Have we become apathetic?

I'm not confident Trump knows what to do running this country besides anything that will fill his pockets. Hell, my belief was that he just wanted to put "POTUS" on his business card and dump the responsibility on Pence. Prepare for the most corrupt US president in history because there is no way he's cutting ties with his company, and almost every action he takes will need to answer "is this for the good of the American people, or the Trump Organization?"

CoffeeMilkDrinker said:

You might be on the nose. The map I'm looking at has 114 million votes, might be 115 with the third party candidates (22% of Utah voted for Evan McMullan? What?). That's the lowest for a presidential election since 2000 (that was under 102 million). Have we become apathetic?

I'm not confident Trump knows what to do running this country besides anything that will fill his pockets. Hell, my belief was that he just wanted to put "POTUS" on his business card and dump the responsibility on Pence. Prepare for the most corrupt US president in history because there is no way he's cutting ties with his company, and almost every action he takes will need to answer "is this for the good of the American people, or the Trump Organization?"

From my perspective as a Trump supporter the difference was the medias "both candidates are unfavorable" campaign turned against them. If Bernie Sanders was the candidate he would have wiped Trump. However, Hillary's corruption in the DNC to rig the primaries dissuaded democrats from voting from her, along with all the other criminal stuff in her position as SoS. They expected Trump supporters to take the bait and go libertarian, but the media and left wing does not understand the conservative POV because they have been too separated from it for too long. We voted for Trump because of what he stands for (which was something that no politician has done for a good decade or so), not for his race, gender, or social standing. Rigged polling also made the left wing cocky thinking that Hillary had a 15% lead when the reality is that the race was pretty favorable to Trump from the beginning. The best indicator of this was the rally turnout. Trump could show up anywhere in the US with less than a weeks notice and he could pull in 7,000 or more people.

As far as corruption, you can't get more corrupt than Obama's and Hillary's background (Acorn, fast and furious, Benghazi, DoD breach of emails, Iran payoff, DNC primary setup, pay-to-play, MSM collaboration (while this isn't illegal, it is a completely opposite of what the left wing stands for, and is what they accuse right wing groups of doing). Trump hasn't broken any laws, but like Zimmerman, people crucified him without hearing the facts.

Farran said:

People got too caught up in the whole "Make America great again" idea that they kind of forgot that America isn't alone in the world. We live in international times, like it or not, and now that Trump is president Americans will have to live with the consequences of how every other country sees us and how that's gonna affect EVERYTHING.

I'll just remark that nearly all of the fellow Russians I've met today are rather happy that Trump won, since he said he was going to work with all countries rather than continuing to pin all the evils of the world onto us like Clinton intended.

Also, out of curiosity (keep in mind that I'm not fully aware how your system works) - electors are going to vote much later, right? How likely is that elector would disregard his pledge and vote for other candidate? Granted, this would be a political suicide, but is it still possible?

Type-kun said:

Also, out of curiosity (keep in mind that I'm not fully aware how your system works) - electors are going to vote much later, right? How likely is that elector would disregard his pledge and vote for other candidate? Granted, this would be a political suicide, but is it still possible?

In a typical year, basically impossible. It's actually illegal in many states, although the penalty is a $1000 fine in the only one that came up. That said, there were two electors who said they refused to vote for Hillary if she won in Washington State.

Also, electors are not the politicians, themselves. They're party officials selected from within the party, and this election wouldn't have turned out this way if there was enough rejection within the party to be the kind of major internal defections like what would be required for some last-second Never Trump coup. (It would have happened back during the primaries if there was that kind of opposition.) The electoral college voters are either people who believe in Trump, or are too terrified of the Trumpers in the party not to vote for him. (When there was the hint of this sort of thing in the primary, the delegates who were considered to possibly vote against Trump in spite of being elected to do so faced death threats from angry mobs of Trump supporters.)

Type-kun said:

Also, out of curiosity (keep in mind that I'm not fully aware how your system works) - electors are going to vote much later, right? How likely is that elector would disregard his pledge and vote for other candidate? Granted, this would be a political suicide, but is it still possible?

They technically can ("faithless elector"), and have. They run the risk of political censure from their parties though, and can face criminal punishment in certain states. In any case most faithless electors will usually just abstain from voting instead of voting for the other side (like what Barbara Lett-Simmons did in the 2000 election when she was pledged to Al Gore and Joe Lieberman).

Regardless, faithless electors happen too infrequently to affect the election in any manner, except in the case of the 1836 election when all Virginia electors abstained to vote for the vice-president (who was then elected later anyway by the senate, so the overall outcome was unchanged anyway).

(Disclaimer: I'm not an American, but I have studied in an American college before and have taken a political science course to fulfill mandatory requirements.)

BlastingNaba said:

How the West was Lost.

Godspeed, motherfuckers. Good luck surviving the next decade.

We are Americans and we have a Constitution that the President (whomever they are) are sworn to protect.

We will survive.

ithekro said:

We are Americans and we have a Constitution that the President (whomever they are) are sworn to protect.

We will survive.

An oath is only as good as the person/people's intention to abide by it.

There are countries that had constitutions and Presidents sworn to protect their nation that were taken over in military coups, such as, most recently, Egypt.

A nation is nothing more than a consensus. When that consensus breaks down, so does the nation. A constitution is simply a landmark that everyone is supposed to agree everyone should form consensus around.

ithekro said:

We are Americans and we have a Constitution that the President (whomever they are) are sworn to protect.

We will survive.

Us in SEA who are basically sandwiched between the US and China (politically, not geographically), not so much.

Trump is going to disengage from SEA (unlike Obama and Hillary), and it's going to be a new era of Chinese hegemony with corrupt local governments propped up by Chinese interests.

It already happened with Nigeria.

NegativeSoul said:

Sorry about your sign man. I'm not a Trump supporter myself but asshole moves like that are asshole.

You, sir, are what makes me believe in liberty. I am not happy with elections, but I prefer Trump's victory to Hillary's mostly because of sheer hippocracy that rules modern american media. If only all liberals had your approach to things.

The fact that Trump won shouldn't make media say "this country is sick" (that's what Newsweek says, and mainstream media here in Poland). It should make all politically conscious people realize that half of America honestly decided to vote for Trump. That there actually is a problem, and that society has some reason to make this choice. Even if you say that only dumb and misguided people vote for "that misogynist", which I don't deny nor agree with, you should focus on what are the reasons of these dumb people. Society has changed, as times are changing.

Also, could you help me with tagging these guys? I'm not American and half of them look like George Bush to me. orz

Sulejman said:

[...] It should make all politically conscious people realize that half of America honestly decided to vote for Trump. [...]

To be fair though, regardless of who'd have won they'd never have been elected by half of America. Voter turnout is 56.8% of eligible voters. From that turnout currently Trump has a popular vote of 47.4% and Clinton has a popular vote of 47.7%. In short either candidate would have been elected by about 27% of the people.

Sulejman said:

Also, could you help me with tagging these guys? I'm not American and half of them look like George Bush to me. orz

I was able to tag a couple more.

Could someone check me though...? I'm pretty sure about Mike Pence and Tim Kaine, but the two on the right-side look like Bush 41 and Bush 43... The guy in the business suit might be Gore...?

Regardless, added annotation request...

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Alright, months later and I have my thoughts together. Eh, mostly.

It is evident now that the plurality of America chose the most qualified candidate, Hillary. The electors chose the worst candidate, Trump. The system has definitively failed America.

The next 4 years will be spent with a man who lies through his teeth to while some people are unwise enough to actually believe him in spite of concrete evidence that proves such, is blatantly selling the country out to Putin and anyone willing to suck up to him, and is overall certifiably horrible on a personal and political level.

There are people who believed that all of what was dug up on Hillary was actually incriminating of something in any truly significant way. They believed that Hillary would be the one initiating a war with anyone. They believed that Trump was clean and that his business practices were legit. They believed that the media was being dishonest when it presented video clips of Trump with little to no editing. I'm supposed to believe that everything leaked about Hillary is supposed to disqualify her as a president. I just have to look at Trump talk in front of a camera to see everything that disqualifies him as a president.

Trump is a misogynistic, xenophobic, narcissistic, hypocritical, and overall dishonest person. Bring rich doesn't mean squat in this case, and being an "outsider" is a flimsy premise for being a good candidate. Hillary... is mildly shady and kind of boring and stale-bread in the political field. I would still choose Hillary.

I prefer to be referred to as a centrist, though I do lean left. I dislike the far ends of either political leaning. The far right is delusional and hypocritical and the far left is conceited and smug. Assholes at both ass-ends. But at least, the left mostly kept their extremists in check and out of reach of anything too important; the right let their extremists run rampant. The right has become blind to its hypocrisy regarding what they have done and allowed to transpire, and the left is going down a revenge-like path that I do not wholeheartedly approve of, even if it may be the only way they can help ease the incoming swampy waterboarding of America.

I wouldn't have gone for Bernie, way too crazy-left for me. Either McCain or Biden would have won me over if they ran. I like slow grampa and goofy grampa and I may have had a hard time picking between them if they actually made it to the primaries. But nope. Only a mess here.

Obama's eight years as the latest actual American president are up. I liked his administration overall. He is not perfect, but he was, is, and always will be a better president than anyone who ran for the office in 2016, let alone the one who actually won it.

I am severely disappointed by many things. I am disappointed that rampant anti-establishment sentiments gained ground. I am disappointed that dishonesty, party loyalty, and weak moral grounds won the election. I am disappointed in the people who thought and still think that Trump is the right choice. I am disappointed that much more people in the U.S. will soon suffer than before, regardless of political and ideological leanings. I am disappointed that the next 4 years will be under deplorable rule. I am disappointed that I can no longer be in defense of the U.S. whenever someone trash-talks it.

I still believe in America and in the American dream. I just don't believe in its upcoming management.

But I hope you'll all be okay.

Welp, there're my thoughts.

When you get right down to it, it's the States that elect the President... not the people. They don't have to choose winner-take-all, but most of them do. They don't even have to aportion them out according to the popular vote of the state, as some states have talked about assigning all electors based upon the results of the popular vote. However, that will only go into effect if enough states agree to it so that the electoral count exceeds 270, otherwise it is non-binding. The only states that have agreed to it thus far are those that went Democrat this last cycle. IMO I don't see enough states ever agreeing to it, especially the low population states, as it would essentially be giving up any voice they have in the National Election.

I'm not quite sure who Sanders is supposed to be.. the horn like head adornment and moon symbols makes me think druid but the rest of his garb plus the staff Atiesh makes me think Medivh, the last Guardian.

Type-kun said:

Aaand I guess, that's it - media says Trump won. Waiting for the next post from this artist :3

That said, don't despair, guys. If things really go south, impeachment is always available.

Turns out, not so much if a party both controls one of the houses of Congress and is in thrall to the man.

Heresy, all of this is heresy!

NWSiaCB said:

The problem is, it's not just the people who made that choice that live with the consequences.

For starters, in response to Trump, Turkey (and likely much of the rest of the Middle East is soon to follow) is shutting America out of crucial bases it needs to launch attacks against ISIS. Syria and Iraq didn't vote for Trump, but guess who has to live with the consequences?

There's also the way that the global economy is going to react - look how the markets reacted to Brexit, and realize that as soon people realized Trump might win, the futures markets were hitting the emergency brakes shutting off trading due to what a freefall they were in. The simple act of electing Trump could cause another global recession.

Then, there's the fact that Trump will basically gift-wrap the Baltic and give it as a present to daddy Putin for getting him elected...

That's before Trump even takes office!

Honestly mate, how do you feel now about the current events?