So wait...why are people on Danbooru being negative and complaining about lewd fan-art of new characters? This site always has NSFW art of almost everyone. There's always been lewd fan-art of every new character regardless of gender. Heck there's even NSFW fan-art of the new Pokemon as well, and anthro versions of them. Humans are just sex driven creatures...that's life.
I feel like more and more people ignore that the male characters also get sexualized in fan-art, and people are fine with that. However when female characters are sexualized lots of people seem to demonize that and say how awful it is. Some people even say that they feel bad for that female character...I honestly don't understand what's going on anymore. Plus the characters designs really aren't even sexual, the ones sexualizing them are the fans. The same goes for pretty much every Pokemon character that's come before.
So wait...why are people on Danbooru being negative and complaining about lewd fan-art of new characters? This site always has NSFW art of almost everyone. There's always been lewd fan-art of every new character regardless of gender. Heck there's even NSFW fan-art of the new Pokemon as well, and anthro versions of them. Humans are just sex driven creatures...that's life.
I feel like more and more people ignore that the male characters also get sexualized in fan-art, and people are fine with that. However when female characters are sexualized lots of people seem to demonize that and say how awful it is. Some people even say that they feel bad for that female character...I honestly don't understand what's going on anymore.
I don't think people are trying to demonize each other, but here's several points:
- This image is meant to be a joke - This image originated from outside of Danbooru, and the dislikes for lewd arts does also happen elsewhere as well so it could very well bleed into this site. You should never try to stereotype that since this is a porn site, we'll all automatically have the same standards. - If there is negativity towards the lewd fanarts, it is not be cause the fanarts exist, it is because it seems to be the only thing people see in these characters. Instead of trying to have constructive conversation about how she'll fight, what role she will have in the story, all people think about is how much they want to fap to the characters.
Granted, Pokemon gym leaders and supporting characters tend to not actually have enough personality or screentime to fuel a worthwhile conversation as is, but it gives a different message when carnal lust seems to be the only thing these people express right off the gate.
The issue isn't that art exist, it's that it exist to an overwhelming degree it drowns out everything else the character stands for. Most of us here don't even have a clue what Sonia is supposed to do in game, maybe she'll turn out to be the villain and ultimately the most hated character in Pokemon history? Who knows? Certainly not the people whose only interest in her is fapping.
Problem isn't "humans are sex driven creatures", it's "some people doesn't seem to have anything else in their brain but sex-sex-sex-sex-sex". And for one thing, that's not a good image to reinforce for gamers or anime fans. It's just playing into the bad stereotypes many others are desperately trying to shed.
Also note how Pokemon is a quote on quote, a "children's game". Yes the people lewding her are also most likely Pokemon veterans who's played the game for over a decade, but there's still a degree of ironic indecency to one-sidedly sexualize a character of a children's game while "obviously sexy" characters of adult oriented game barely gets the arts. Look at Mortal Kombat, for example.
Still, this isn't the same as actually demonizing people and just more of "have some dignity, man".
Again, not complaining myself, just explaining what's happening.
So wait...why are people on Danbooru being negative and complaining about lewd fan-art of new characters? This site always has NSFW art of almost everyone. There's always been lewd fan-art of every new character regardless of gender. Heck there's even NSFW fan-art of the new Pokemon as well, and anthro versions of them. Humans are just sex driven creatures...that's life.
I feel like more and more people ignore that the male characters also get sexualized in fan-art, and people are fine with that. However when female characters are sexualized lots of people seem to demonize that and say how awful it is. Some people even say that they feel bad for that female character...I honestly don't understand what's going on anymore. Plus the characters designs really aren't even sexual, the ones sexualizing them are the fans. The same goes for pretty much every Pokemon character that's come before.
I think most of the people I've seen (and on here) are just joking about how ludicrously fast pokegirls get lewded. This character's first image was literally uploaded yesterday. And yeah, you're going to have a lot of people with a moral high ground and a stick up the butt about lewding female characters. Used to be the Christians, now it's the feminists, god knows what it'll be tomorrow.
Don't get me wrong, I don't mind the rule 34 (being bothered by it would be bad for my mental health anyways, since it's the absolute rule that will exist to the end of humanity, no matter how much people's tendency to complain increase over the years, plus, my blacklist protects me most of the time), those "Googling yourself" however, while it was little bit funny the first, second time, now it just makes me sad... (well, I'll just add it to the blacklist eventually) One more reason is that, I'm a yuri fan, and thus, I'm lucky if I get even 1% of yuri amongst all the het the artists will draw.
I don't think people are trying to demonize each other, but here's several points:
- This image is meant to be a joke - This image originated from outside of Danbooru, and the dislikes for lewd arts does also happen elsewhere as well so it could very well bleed into this site. You should never try to stereotype that since this is a porn site, we'll all automatically have the same standards. - If there is negativity towards the lewd fanarts, it is not be cause the fanarts exist, it is because it seems to be the only thing people see in these characters. Instead of trying to have constructive conversation about how she'll fight, what role she will have in the story, all people think about is how much they want to fap to the characters.
Granted, Pokemon gym leaders and supporting characters tend to not actually have enough personality or screentime to fuel a worthwhile conversation as is, but it gives a different message when carnal lust seems to be the only thing these people express right off the gate.
The issue isn't that art exist, it's that it exist to an overwhelming degree it drowns out everything else the character stands for. Most of us here don't even have a clue what Sonia is supposed to do in game, maybe she'll turn out to be the villain and ultimately the most hated character in Pokemon history? Who knows? Certainly not the people whose only interest in her is fapping.
Problem isn't "humans are sex driven creatures", it's "some people doesn't seem to have anything else in their brain but sex-sex-sex-sex-sex". And for one thing, that's not a good image to reinforce for gamers or anime fans. It's just playing into the bad stereotypes many others are desperately trying to shed.
Also note how Pokemon is a quote on quote, a "children's game". Yes the people lewding her are also most likely Pokemon veterans who's played the game for over a decade, but there's still a degree of ironic indecency to one-sidedly sexualize a character of a children's game while "obviously sexy" characters of adult oriented game barely gets the arts. Look at Mortal Kombat, for example.
Still, this isn't the same as actually demonizing people and just more of "have some dignity, man".
Again, not complaining myself, just explaining what's happening.
You bring up good points and I appreciate you sharing your perspective, thanks. I am aware the image is a joke, I'm just used to people very often on many platforms of social media and forums demonizing the sexualization of females. Maybe that's not the case here, but it does happen a lot.
I do agree that character conversations that aren't just revolving around sex are interesting, and figuring out their personality and what drives them. There's many reasons to like a character, but a lot of people making the fan-art are people that just see the character design and make fan-art of them, they're not fans of the game and they like the look of the character. Knowing more about the character isn't a priority for them, they just want to make some fan-art of them. Personally I don't think that's bad or a problem.
Yes there's plenty of negative stereotypes with gamers and anime fans, but I also think sexualization is often a basic human desire people skewer as being negative, and they don't want to admit that they have some of those same desires. People that make fan-art are just often honest about those feelings of lust, a middle aged house wife may say those artists are disgusting but then she is probably over there ogling the 19 year old pool boy. I do understand the element of a time and place, having some dignity as you said, but I think people often reside inside of rigidly puritan ideas. So no matter what people are going to be kink shamed for being open about their fetishes and lust. When it comes to representing game & anime fans I think the main problem is that people will generalize and lump everyone in a fandom together. Personally I love lewd fan-art, but I'm also up for discussions outside of that.
When you say "children's game" I think the main thing is just that things like Pokemon have broad and mass appeal, so everyone hears about them. Plus the game is Japanese and the artists there love it. Mortal Kombat on the other hand doesn't appeal to the masses, a lot of "adult" products are more niche than something like Pokemon. I think a game like Mortal Kombat is mainly scratching another itch for it's fans, largely a lust for blood & violence. Also Mortal Kombat I believe is banned in Japan? I may be wrong there, but it's going to get a lot less fan-art if that's the case.
Don't get me wrong, I don't mind the rule 34 (being bothered by it would be bad for my mental health anyways, since it's the absolute rule that will exist to the end of humanity, no matter how much people's tendency to complain increase over the years, plus, my blacklist protects me most of the time), those "Googling yourself" however, while it was little bit funny the first, second time, now it just makes me sad... (well, I'll just add it to the blacklist eventually) One more reason is that, I'm a yuri fan, and thus, I'm lucky if I get even 1% of yuri amongst all the het the artists will draw.
Well, that's my take on those matters, sorry for the two wall of text. Also, I pretty much agree with @azurelorochi.
I'm not sure if I understand why it's sad? I think the meme isn't meant to be anything depressing. Fair if you're not a fan though.
Yeah I'm seeing that a lot of people are upset about the Pokemon transfer issue and it's reasonable. I do think people should try enjoying the new game for what it is, but people love their favorite Pokemon and I get why people want to use them in the new game.
Also for the Yuri thing, I get it. Yuri is often a very small percentage of fan-art. When it comes to NSFW fan-art people will often go for the Futa route instead of a Strap-on, not that Futa is necessarily a bad thing but it's definitely not Yuri. People love drawing dicks it seems. So yeah I definitely get wanting more Yuri fan-art.
I'm not sure if I understand why it's sad? I think the meme isn't meant to be anything depressing. Fair if you're not a fan though.
Yeah I'm seeing that a lot of people are upset about the Pokemon transfer issue and it's reasonable. I do think people should try enjoying the new game for what it is, but people love their favorite Pokemon and I get why people want to use them in the new game.
Don't mind me too much, because I'm probably not entirely treating this as just fiction, but to answer your question: Sonia's line here is the classic (can I already call it classic at this point?) Goblin Slayer reference, which implies to "suffer a very traumatic experience, but ultimately getting used to it", see the empty eyes? That, is sad... plus, it brings memories of post #2325609, which is also a very sad image.
Don't mind me too much, because I'm probably not entirely treating this as just fiction, but to answer your question: Sonia's line here is the classic (can I already call it classic at this point?) Goblin Slayer reference, which implies to "suffer a very traumatic experience, but ultimately getting used to it", see the empty eyes? That, is sad... plus, it brings memories of post #2325609, which is also a very sad image.
The post you linked is sad, but that's based on real life and a real person. Where as these Pokemon characters are fictional. I understand the empathy angle and being invested in fiction, but I think there's a line where people should detach from fiction. In this case this specific image is meant to not be serious. I know you said you're not entirely treating this as fiction, but it is fiction. The empty eyes meme with Goblin Slayer is a comedy meme if I remember correctly, it was the priest girl saying to the elf girl "you get used to it" in regards to Goblin Slayer covering both of them in goblin blood. He covers everyone in goblin blood to hide their scent, which was meant to be somewhat comical scene in the series. Mostly the comedy came from how disgusted they were by the blood, but it makes sense to use it and they accept it needs to be done. Goblin Slayer has some very grim scenes, but it also has some very not serious scenes like that one in particular.
That's your perspective and personal choice with that Pokemon game. I respect that. In my personal opinion this new game will likely be great as it's own thing. I'm hoping it will introduce a lot of great new mechanics & elements for everything it removes/doesn't have, but only time will tell. For now I'm still very excited.
I disagree that "You get used to it" is a Goblin Slayer meme. It's a natural expression used in an appropriate context. If there was a visual tell, I might buy it.
I disagree that "You get used to it" is a Goblin Slayer meme. It's a natural expression used in an appropriate context. If there was a visual tell, I might buy it.
Ah it was mainly the expressions of the characters in the show and their dynamic. I know it's a phrase that's been around long before Goblin Slayer, but I just meant that Goblin Slayer recently made it a bit more popular. Sorry for not being clear there.
I disagree that "You get used to it" is a Goblin Slayer meme. It's a natural expression used in an appropriate context. If there was a visual tell, I might buy it.
That specific framing, from the headshot and dead eyes to the mouth shape and the right-side bias, is in emulation of Priestess's comment to High Elf Archer. While the comment is a common sentiment in similar contexts, the visual framing is distinctive and has been more commonly used in that orientation since GS's episode with that setup aired.
I don't think people are trying to demonize each other, but here's several points:
- This image is meant to be a joke - This image originated from outside of Danbooru, and the dislikes for lewd arts does also happen elsewhere as well so it could very well bleed into this site. You should never try to stereotype that since this is a porn site, we'll all automatically have the same standards. - If there is negativity towards the lewd fanarts, it is not be cause the fanarts exist, it is because it seems to be the only thing people see in these characters. Instead of trying to have constructive conversation about how she'll fight, what role she will have in the story, all people think about is how much they want to fap to the characters.
Granted, Pokemon gym leaders and supporting characters tend to not actually have enough personality or screentime to fuel a worthwhile conversation as is, but it gives a different message when carnal lust seems to be the only thing these people express right off the gate.
The issue isn't that art exist, it's that it exist to an overwhelming degree it drowns out everything else the character stands for. Most of us here don't even have a clue what Sonia is supposed to do in game, maybe she'll turn out to be the villain and ultimately the most hated character in Pokemon history? Who knows? Certainly not the people whose only interest in her is fapping.
Problem isn't "humans are sex driven creatures", it's "some people doesn't seem to have anything else in their brain but sex-sex-sex-sex-sex". And for one thing, that's not a good image to reinforce for gamers or anime fans. It's just playing into the bad stereotypes many others are desperately trying to shed.
Also note how Pokemon is a quote on quote, a "children's game". Yes the people lewding her are also most likely Pokemon veterans who's played the game for over a decade, but there's still a degree of ironic indecency to one-sidedly sexualize a character of a children's game while "obviously sexy" characters of adult oriented game barely gets the arts. Look at Mortal Kombat, for example.
Still, this isn't the same as actually demonizing people and just more of "have some dignity, man".
Again, not complaining myself, just explaining what's happening.
If this is what people are saying then they certainly ARE demonizing others.
-This argument that just because you find a character attractive then thatâs âall you seeâ is bull shit. First of all, this is pre game and basically weâll we know is visual appearance. Second, a lot of these artists are just artists who like drawing these characters. Third, this does t ring true for theactial fans of the series. Many people will talk about the chsrafters personality and stuff beyond their looks. Simply drawing sexual images of them doesnât detract from that and thatâs a narrative that needs to die.
And like you said gym leaders are often one note characters who do a battle and then get out of your way. What the hell else is there to âdiscussâ? But even then NOTHING IS STOPPING SUCH DISCUSSION FROM OCCURRING.
-No the art doesnât âdrown outâ anything. You can still talk about anything and the character still exists. There is no âoverwhelmingâ there are only a handful of pics and theyâre just pictures. If you donât like them, donât look at them. No one of forcing you to do that. If you want to discuss if she might be a villain? Do that.
-Itâs a strawman to say that peope have nothing on their mind but sex just because they have sexual attraction. Of course they have other interests because they are human beings. Even then, whatâs wrong with having an interest? And who gives a FUCK about the âreputation of gamers and anime fansâ? Those idiots will Demonize and smear us no matter what. If you let the opinions of those losers shame you out of your interests you ar diary of the problem. If we wonât be proud and stick up for ourselves no one will.
-Itâs marketed towards children in some ways but itâs clearly also marketed towards adults who have been playing this
-yes saying that having sexual attraction is lacking in âdignityâ IS demonizing. It at least shows open contempt.
Iâm aware these arenât your points but they ARE bad points and they need to be fought against.
Nintendo hardcore fans proving again they are Nintendo's worst enemy. No one here cares about Nintendo characters and then "boom" a Direct appears and they all crawl out of their hideouts posting everywhere. It's okay to sexualize their furry deviations (the pokemons themselves), but Miyamoto (a.k.a God) forbids if an animated human character gets the same treatment. Just check at any Nintendo Championship Tournament and look how they are, not even a decent haircut. Nintendo is of those who does the best products (mainly aimed at children) and yet these people take over and ruin everything. :/
In a week or two no one will talk about Nintendo again, unless yet another Direct comes or something else becomes a meme.
Why should anyone give a flying fuck about the porn!? Enjoy it or not, I don't give a damn, but it's damn hard for me to think of anything stupider than people getting mad about a fictional character getting porn drawn of them. It's called rule 34 of the internet for a reason, just ignore it and move along.
As said, those weren't my personal opinions but I was just explaining how others feel, though I will talk about those that are my personal opinions.
slave2thedrago said: -No the art doesnât âdrown outâ anything. You can still talk about anything and the character still exists. There is no âoverwhelmingâ there are only a handful of pics and theyâre just pictures. If you donât like them, donât look at them. No one of forcing you to do that. If you want to discuss if she might be a villain? Do that.
Except it totally does. Go on the announcement videos on Youtube and look at the top comments, what do you see? Discussions of Sonia's role? Or "here comes the r34" "I'll give the artists 1 hour tops until the porn comes out" "can't wait to fap to her".
Granted lengthy discussions also get up buried in the comment section for other reasons such as Youtube comment sorting algorithm or the people's general "tl;dr" attitude, or the fact that yes, at this point there literally isn't much to discuss about at all, but go check reveal videos of something else like BoTW 2 or Death Stranding or Ghostwire Tokyo any other games and what do you find? People actually talking about the game even though the trailers are just as clueless.
-Itâs a strawman to say that peope have nothing on their mind but sex just because they have sexual attraction. Of course they have other interests because they are human beings.
This is the internet age, what you express IS what people will interpret as 100% of your identity. If someone can go one post, say "I find this character attractive", then go on another post and discuss something else unrelated to sexual attraction, then fine, but please tell me how people are supposed to interpret those guys who doesn't post anything else except "dayyyum dat booty tho".
Not to mention, is the fact artists tend to jump onto waifu trend bandwagon for 1 and 2 weeks then completely forget in and of itself indicative that they don't really care what the character has to offer outside of porn?
Again, how you choose to express yourself is how people will interpret your identity. So how many artists do you think draw lewds of Sonia now that will draw her once again in a non-sexual manner once the game comes out? What is that supposed to say?
-And who gives a FUCK about the âreputation of gamers and anime fansâ? Those idiots will Demonize and smear us no matter what. If you let the opinions of those losers shame you out of your interests you ar diary of the problem. If we wonât be proud and stick up for ourselves no one will.
I do, and it's not because people will shame me out of my interest. I don't give a damn about that. What I give a damn about though? Is outsiders thinking that game and anime are "garbage media for kids and manchildren", that outsiders will never want to pick up games and animes exactly because the stereotype is all they know about and they wouldn't want to be part of it.
For example, parents have a long history of demonizing games because they don't understand them. They won't listen to our side of the story because people doesn't like their preconceived notion to be proved wrong. That's why it is important you fight against those stereotypes if it is what is ultimately is hurting the media you love.
And it's counterproductive when "loyal fans" revel in actions that can be easily equated to yelling "WE ARE MANCHILDREN! WE ARE MANCHILDREN! WE DON'T WANT GAMES TO BE SMART WE JUST WANT BOOBIES!"
Does it mean lewd fanarts shouldn't exist? No, if the artists actually do have other interests outside of porn. Should it mean games should not be sexual? No, games like Nier:Automata proved you can be sexual and smart at the same time. Does that mean everyone should crusade against them? I don't really care if you do, this is my opinion and I know better than to force feed my opinion down someone else's throat on the internet. I just want you to understand where I'm coming from.
I actually want animes and games to be able to discuss matters of sex, sexual relationship, STDs, pregnancy and so forth openly and maturely. Sad thing is that won't happen because the ones with the megaphones are the ones screaming "PORN! PORN! PORN! PORN! PORN!" and therefore sex is treated as a taboo or a joke. Because the people talking about it showed times and times again they can't or just won't approach it maturely.
Just like the fight against stereotypes, understanding and compromises is the key to solving the problem, "they won't care to understand me so I won't care to understand them" only make everyone dumb.
-Itâs marketed towards children in some ways but itâs clearly also marketed towards adults who have been playing this
The issue is that in the end, it still is a kid's game, and again it is justifiable if people doesn't want google image search of Sonia and Nessa to be flooded with porns for the 6 years old to randomly find.
Not to mention that again, compared to the older demographics-oriented waifu-laden JRPGs announced like Fire Emblem or Tales of Arise, they still didn't get this influx of porn. That is what I mean by ironic indecency.
-yes saying that having sexual attraction is lacking in âdignityâ IS demonizing. It at least shows open contempt.
Again, it's not the issue you can feel something as being attractive, it's the issue when all of your interactions, online or offline, consists of nothing but "dayyum dat booty tho".
There's also nothing wrong with works that depict characters reacting with a realistic level of dismay at finding tons of lewds drawn of them, and such works do not necessarily mean that the artist thinks there's anything wrong with all the lewds.
As said, those weren't my personal opinions but I was just explaining how others feel, though I will talk about those that are my personal opinions.
This is the internet age, what you express IS what people will interpret as 100% of your identity. If someone can go one post, say "I find this character attractive", then go on another post and discuss something else unrelated to sexual attraction, then fine, but please tell me how people are supposed to interpret those guys who doesn't post anything else except "dayyyum dat booty tho".
Heck idol fans are even notorious for acting like that in REAL LIFE. That's the definition of toxic fandom.
I do, and it's not because people will shame me out of my interest. I don't give a damn about that. What I give a damn about though? Is outsiders thinking that game and anime are "garbage media for kids and manchildren", that outsiders will never want to pick up games and animes exactly because the stereotype is all they know about and they wouldn't want to be part of it.
For example, parents have a long history of demonizing games because they don't understand them. They won't listen to our side of the story because people doesn't like their preconceived notion to be proved wrong. That's why it is important you fight against those stereotypes if it is what is ultimately is hurting the media you love.
And it's counterproductive when "loyal fans" revel in actions that can be easily equated to yelling "WE ARE MANCHILDREN! WE ARE MANCHILDREN! WE DON'T WANT GAMES TO BE SMART WE JUST WANT BOOBIES!"
Does it mean lewd fanarts shouldn't exist? No, if the artists actually do have other interests outside of porn. Should it mean games should not be sexual? No, games like Nier:Automata proved you can be sexual and smart at the same time. Does that mean everyone should crusade against them? I don't really care if you do, this is my opinion and I know better than to force feed my opinion down someone else's throat on the internet. I just want you to understand where I'm coming from.
I actually want animes and games to be able to discuss matters of sex, sexual relationship, STDs, childhood pregnancy and so forth openly and maturely. Sad thing is that won't happen because the ones with the megaphones are the ones screaming "PORN! PORN! PORN! PORN! PORN!" and therefore sex is treated as a taboo or a joke. Because the people talking about it showed times and times again they can't or just won't approach it maturely.
Just like the fight against stereotypes, understanding and compromises is the key to solving the problem, "they won't care to understand me so I won't care to understand them" only make everyone dumb.
Again, it's not the issue you can feel something as being attractive, it's the issue when all of your interactions, online or offline, consists of nothing but "dayyum dat booty tho".
-this kind of asinine thing of applying some arbitrary âlabelâ to an age is exactly the type of simpleminded bullshit that is the overall problem with you and people like you.
Just like âitâs the current year!â itâs the type of thinking egomaniacs busybodys and authoritarians use to basically act like their behavior is the only acceptable or expected behavior or tahtvgeir worldview is the only onof.
For instance you thinking that everyone else has such simplistic thinking that they think someone entire life is based on comments on a porn site.
Not to mention unless youâre stalking these people everywhere you arenât basing this on anything logical.
This is just your silly judgement of people who have different interests than you and itâs basically just a meaningless smear no better than a first grade insult.
Believe it or not people who have different interests than you are full human beings.
-you do, and that makes you part of the problem like I just said.
You had it half right with âyou wonât undertsbd me so I wonât understand youâ
It letâs make it more accurate
âYou wonât try to understand me so everything you say is irrelevant because...we just got through establishing that you donât understand what youâre talking about, so go eat a dick.â
why in the fuck would you put stock in the opinion of someone who literally doesnât even know what theyâre talking about? Do you make a habit of that? Because it would explain a lot.
There is no compromise with people who donât care to understand you, especially when all they will do is demonize you in the worst ways. Thatâs just acquiescence, thatâs just surrender. Itâs just you giving in to their demands and theyâre probably still going to hate you for it.
The type of dumbass who thinks people who enjoy this type sexuality are âmanchildrenâ is exactly the type of person who will not try to understand or âcompromiseâ. The only âcompromiseâ people like that give is to shame you as, at best, a pathetic subhuman manbaby or at worse, an âincelâ or a danger to society, a misogynist, or even worse things and use that as an excuse to treat you like shit and attack what you love maybe even justify government action.
No itâs not important to fight against any stereotype becaus stereotypes arenât logical things, and because the stereotype is born of bullshit anyway.
Moreover there is no compromise here, because compromise is for people who need or want something from eachother your standards are not important to me and I donât need your approval or anything else from you. There is no need for mainstream ârespectâ
There is no need to earn the respect of mainstream have you seen the things mainstream media ârespectsâ?
Fake outrage, fake virtue, slaves to whatever advertisers and big businesses and hashtags tell them to enjoy. The most shallow, generalized, cookie cutter bullshit. These are the âstandardsâ you want to try and appease.
Outsiders SHOULDNT pick up anime or video games if they donât like them. Thats exactly what caused this mess. Outsider standards do not matter, they want things that cater to them and they donât give a shit about what the thing actually is about. That is what âselling outâ is. Either they enjoy for what it is, or they can get the fuck out.
trying to earn the respect of people who we just established donât even know what the duck theyâre talking about is just dumb and worst of all, it wonât work. Once again why would you base what you do on ignorance?
You cannot please everyone and it is a waste of time to try and please people who donât give a shit. There are many mainstream anime and shit. Let them watch that.
Iâm going to keep enjoying the things I want to enjoy and I wonât lwt anyone tell me what I am or am not allowed to enjoy. There is nothing wrong with it and it doesnât make me less of a person.
Also there are plenty of things that discuss the subjects you like, Quite frankly I donât care about what your standards on what âmatureâ is, because I donât think youâre as âmatureâ as you seem to think you are.
Regardless, there are things out there for you go find them instead of trying to attack other things that arenât.
Also a lot of the âfan serviceâ shows you have a problem with have more to them than you give them credit for but youâre too busy judging to notice. They donât have to be, âdumbâ shows have a place too. But if your worldview wasnât so simple youâd probably have more stuff you enjoy. Just saying.
-and once again youâre just judging other peopleâs interests in a shallow way. Some lellle collect stamps. Some peope talk about music all the time. No one has any reason to care what you think especially when you simplify them like that.
Why would ANYONE listen to you if you talk about them like that?
Basically the issue is youâre the same type of moral judging loser I was talking about so you get the same middle finger I direct to soccer moms and games journalists who demonize me all day.
Also you realize a lot of people are obsessed with sex right not just anime fans? There are people who spend all day obsessing over what celebrities look like.
Where as these Pokemon characters are fictional. I understand the empathy angle and being invested in fiction, but I think there's a line where people should detach from fiction. In this case this specific image is meant to not be serious. I know you said you're not entirely treating this as fiction, but it is fiction.
Me saying "I'm not entirely treating this as just fiction", doesn't mean I don't know it is fiction, it's just a perspective problem on my side, hence why I said to not mind me too much.
Also, I have watched Goblin Slayer, and thus, I know that that scene's purpose was "comedic relief" (probably), but I'm afraid that didn't quite work for me... Boozer's jokes worked way better... anyways, again, perspective problem, I'm not saying that the image or the situation are the problem (not saying they aren't either, but that will vary depending on who you ask), but my view of it is negative. Now, I'll stop here, before I make more people mad.
That's your perspective and personal choice with that Pokemon game. I respect that. In my personal opinion this new game will likely be great as it's own thing. I'm hoping it will introduce a lot of great new mechanics & elements for everything it removes/doesn't have, but only time will tell. For now I'm still very excited.
Well, I just hope you like the games then. I also hope that they can manage to convince me back into wanting to buy them, but I will not hold my breath.
Agree with slave2thedrago. Tastes are not universal, why should they be unified? Shoving your tastes on other people's throats is not only immature but shows a great insecurity about your own. Same people who think everything has to be politically correct, being inclusive, less sexist, not discriminatory, avoid political views, etc. If such content exists that's all right, it may or may not be for me. I might even give it a try if it didn't pick my interest before. Yet, why there is these immature people acting so proud about what they like only to attack and try to censor what they don't? Have you though the problem is not about the content itself but how you address such content to them? "Here, don't watch that 'crap', watch my 'crap' instead". That's exactly what children and manchildren do. Why should they be interested in your tastes if you don't give a damn about theirs?
The reason you are isolated, shamed or bullied comes because you excluded yourself from them. You want to only talk about things people around you can't understand. And you can't talk about anything else because it's all you know. You never tried what other people like and you won't because you're too focused obliging others to like what they don't.
rom_collector said: The reason you are isolated, shamed or bullied comes because you excluded yourself from them. You want to only talk about things people around you can't understand. And you can't talk about anything else because it's all you know. You never tried what other people like and you won't because you're too focused obliging others to like what they don't.
I don't see the issue with not liking things that are discriminatory or how this relates to forcing things on other people. An open forum means people can interact on what they like, don't like, and feel should or shouldn't be made. The moment you start going on the train of "you can't say anything bad about what other people like." is when you lose the ground for actual conversation.
Agree too. Yet you can't establish a conversation with someone closed minded on their views to the point of not hearing what others think or have to say about. That is exactly when any conversation is lost. They may as well talk to a wall... or with fictional characters they believe have feelings.
I don't see the issue with not liking things that are discriminatory or how this relates to forcing things on other people. An open forum means people can interact on what they like, don't like, and feel should or shouldn't be made. The moment you start going on the train of "you can't say anything bad about what other people like." is when you lose the ground for actual conversation.
The problem comes when your standards for âdiscriminatoryâ donât match others isnât it? Because now in your mind the thing is an actual bad âharmfulâ thing and the people who like/defend it are bad/harmful especially if they DARE be angry at you after youâve likely called them manbaies or misogynists or toxic or whatever.
...at least thatâs how it usually goes. And then because the people defending it are âbadâ thereâs no reason to actually listen to their side of things, heâll, why not just say that fascists or something?
That is how most of the âactual conversationsâ on this type of shit go. Thatâs the level of âactual conversationâ that is usually to be had.
Of course itâs possible to have productive conversations about this but starting off a conversation with a moral judgement of what others enjoy is a recipe for not being productive on both points because what reason does anyone have to follow your moral judgements? No one likes being preached to, especially by standards they donât apply to.
Now the âforcefulâ part comes when people actually start being...forceful. When you go around attacking people and insulting them for what they enjoy
Calling for censorship or people being fired or smearing people, or pressuring people to change which is what often happens.
Not to mention that whole âopen forumâ thing doesnât ususlly fly with the type of moral busybodies who like to go around condemning this stuff it usually only extends to them and the people they like. Not saying thatâs you, just saying.
Personally. I bekeuve in love and let live. There are bound to be plenty of shows that cater to your interests and morals or whatever. Trying to make everyone abide by your morals is pointless and assholish. These people arenât going to just go away no matter how much you yell at them and theyâre more likely to double down if they feel attacked.
Yes Iâm aware âlive and let liveâ is itself a moral standard and the paradoxes and contradictions.
A good example I think would probably be like religion. If some priest came and told you that what you like is a sin against god you probably wouldnât care unless you were religious. Itâd probably be annoying and come off as maybe even insulting.
That same thing applies to whatever ideology or philosophy you try to foist on others.
Issue here is you just wants people to demonize each other. And THAT'S just saying "I'm toxic, you're toxic, we should ALL be toxic.
And maybe I'm not as mature as I think I am, but I certainly think "hey let's allow everyone to bully each other and let's make building delusional ivory towers out of irrationality and misguidance the norm" is still by far the most immature and irresponsible thing.
I'm willing to hear the side of the people I'm calling "manchildren". Problem? Again THEY WON'T CLARIFY BECAUSE THEY DON'T GIVE A SHIT ENOUGH TO CLARIFY THEIR STANCE.
Again, I don't give a damn what you personally do, all I want is both sides, both you and me, the artists and the people who dislike said arts, the gamers, anime fans and outsiders to all be able to sit down, have a mature conversation, and at the end of the day even if we don't agree eye to eye, we'll know better than to try and demonize the other side for the sake of bolstering our own fleeting ego.
I said I'm fine with the arts existing, not just in this numbers and attitude revolving around said arts. My point is moderation is key.
But what do you take from it? That I must HATE all the arts, that I must hate everyone who draws then and enjoys them. WHEN I HAVE STATED THAT NOT TO BE THE CASE
Intentionally or not, consciously or not, you're either bending my words, or you're only half listening to what I'm saying, all because it makes it easier to counterattack. Because it makes it easier to call someone else an idiot because you don't, and don't want, to understand their rationale.
You're more interested in demonizing me than engaging in a mature conversation. You're taking everything as an "all-or-nothing", "if I slightly disagrees with you, then you must be a stuck-up SJW pretend-crusader who's just insecure inside", whoops, there goes any chance of us talking like mature adults then.
Tell me, am I supposed to take that as mature and non-toxic? I don't like the norm of making the internet shouting grounds where whoever shouts the most insults wins. Exactly because that's how manchildren acts. Exactly because I don't like it when my hobbies became associated with people acting like that.
If you wanna stick with live and let live, again, fine. You see what I'm doing as a waste of effort? Fine. You disagree with me? FINE. Am I cramming my morals down your throat? I FUCKING AM NOT. I am explaining my stance, and as someone trying to be mature, I am expecting you to see where I am coming instead of thinking that throwing insults will solve your problem.
I'm not trying to force you anything. If anything it's you who's forcing me that "I don't care, so now YOU are wrong because you care". I'll repeat it again this time so you won't miss it my point is moderation is key.
I will be honest... Yeah I thought people would just laugh at the joke and move on... Didn't expect a long wall of debate...
Well that's what I thought when I upload this , and now some war crime apologist is having a fucking field day here. At least in this post, people addressed the joke. Consider that a win.
That's Danbooru for ya. Sometimes the walls of texts in comment section are really interesting and informative, but you won't get those all the time.
Well that's what I thought when I upload this , and now some war crime apologist is having a fucking field day here. At least in this post, people addressed the joke. Consider that a win.
That's Danbooru for ya. Sometimes the walls of texts in comment section are really interesting and informative, but you won't get those all the time.
Trust me, I dislike doing it as much as anybody else, especially when the "debate" isn't a conversation but just a shouting match.
I like clarity and therefore long explanation to my stances exactly because I hate people misinterpreting my words. Again I don't intend to change anybody's mind, I don't care if they disagree, just to have them know where I'm coming from.
Yet every time people simply just go by the logic of "long post = angry rant" without reading, or when they do read, they skim and just end up misinterpreting what I'm saying anyway.