Crazy that this artist gets mass-uploaded and auto-approved despite for the most part not meeting the criteria for being on this website. I'm sensing some favoritism.
Crazy that this artist gets mass-uploaded and auto-approved despite for the most part not meeting the criteria for being on this website. I'm sensing some favoritism.
It was uploaded by a user with unrestricted uploads permissions. So it was never approved in a way.
It was uploaded by a user with unrestricted uploads permissions. So it was never approved in a way.
My mistake, BUT It's possible they're unfit for the position then. Checked their history and they're responsible for all the low quality western cringe I've seen on this site. Over time it has become more frequent. From this artist alone they've uploaded tiny doodles which definitely don't meet the "high quality" criteria. Not to mention none of this is even close to what can be considered an "anime" art style. Purely tumblr-esque trash.
Also hilarious that the BLM tag is locked. The entire movement is based on lies and statistical illiteracy, so it makes sense that an actual description can't be assigned to it. Not gonna debate the politics here but maybe if you don't want this problem don't upload this shit. Ban political content altogether even.
Regardless, again, this image and most of this artist's content is not suitable for the site.
And predictably the comments are shit show so I'll just keep it brief, danbooru isn't your safespace. If you just want wank material then this site isn't for you.
My mistake, BUT It's possible they're unfit for the position then.
No, you're just wrong about what's allowed here.
thegourdlord said: Regardless, again, this image and most of this artist's content is not suitable for the site.
Keep in mind it was re-approved when it was flagged. Perhaps you should get more acquainted with what's allowed, since it's a lot more than you seem to think.
Keep in mind it was re-approved when it was flagged. Perhaps you should get more acquainted with what's allowed, since it's a lot more than you seem to think.
I was correct in sensing favoritism from the mods.
Danbooru is an Anime Art Gallery first, and a high-quality gallery second. Only anime-style art will be accepted. Art which is done in other styles is highly likely to be rejected.
Not to mention none of this is even close to what can be considered an "anime" art style. Purely tumblr-esque trash.
This has no relevance whatsoever. Art style is not a criteria for what is acceptable for Danbooru, and hasn't been for years. If you're gonna complain about this artist not being "anime" enough, then you've got 100s of other artists, including Japanese, Chinese, Korean, and other eastern based artists, that don't draw in an "anime" style you're going to need to lobby against.
Good luck convincing the majority of the site to remove the several thousands of images from these "non anime" artists, seeing as the literal owner of the site reapproved this post after it was flagged for not being anime enough, you're definitely going to need it.
Danbooru is an Anime Art Gallery first, and a high-quality gallery second. Only anime-style art will be accepted. Art which is done in other styles is highly likely to be rejected.
Sorry but that particular paragraph is extremely outdated, and hasn't been an accurate description for the site for years, as I already said.
This has no relevance whatsoever. Art style is not a criteria for what is acceptable for Danbooru, and hasn't been for years. If you're gonna complain about this artist not being "anime" enough, then you've got 100s of other artists, including Japanese, Chinese, Korean, and other eastern based artists, that don't draw in an "anime" style you're going to need to lobby against.
Good luck convincing the majority of the site to remove the several thousands of images from these "non anime" artists, seeing as the literal owner of the site reapproved this post after it was flagged for not being anime enough, you're definitely going to need it.
blindVigil said:
Sorry but that particular paragraph is extremely outdated, and hasn't been an accurate description for the site for years, as I already said.
nonamethanks said:
It was approved by the owner of the site. There's no "favoritism", it's site policy.
No, this is actually BS. Literally the reason people come to this site as opposed to say twitter or pixiv is for anime style or anime related art that has passed a filter of being high quality. If we're allowing anybody's random art that is neither of these things then there is no point for this website to exist. Please, tell me why a non anime-style image depicting something not even remotely anime-analogous is on this anime imageboard. Fuck your appeal to authority, tell me why it should be here.
thegourdlord said: Please, tell me why a non anime-style image depicting something not even remotely anime-analogous is on this anime imageboard. Fuck your appeal to authority, tell me why it should be here.
Danbooru has not been an anime-only imageboard for a long time now. You can see the amount of stuff under overwatch and similar copyrights as a testament to that. The Terms of Service page is also terribly outdated, and it's in the process of being rewritten (see issue #4415). See also the discussion in topic #16692 (and forum #165454 in particular).
BTW I'd say a good 90% of posts in scenery no_humans have nothing to do with anime or anime style either.
In any case, this post was considered of good quality by an approver (who is also the owner of the site), so unless someone flags it again it's going to stay. That's how the moderation queue has always worked - nothing has changed recently regarding that. An approver likes it -> it's moved into the active gallery. Someone flags it -> it goes back into the mod queue.
I'd say this is very much anime-styled though. The face is very characteristic of eastern-influenced drawings. It's not off-topic unless you consider anything under politics off-topic.
No, this is actually BS. Literally the reason people come to this site as opposed to say twitter or pixiv is for anime style or anime related art that has passed a filter of being high quality. If we're allowing anybody's random art that is neither of these things then there is no point for this website to exist. Please, tell me why a non anime-style image depicting something not even remotely anime-analogous is on this anime imageboard. Fuck your appeal to authority, tell me why it should be here.
So I guess you speak for the entire userbase, then? Everyone comes to this site for the exact same reasons you do?
I don't know why it needs to be repeatedly explained to you, and nonamethanks has already explained it well enough, but to be perfectly frank, Danbooru is not an "anime imageboard". Maybe it could've been described that way ten years ago, but the site as expanded beyond simply being for anime styled or related things, long since before you even made your account.
As for why this specific piece should be here, it's because multiple users agreed it should be here. You're the only one disagreeing with the majority, and for reasons that aren't supported by most of the modern userbase. If more people were raising a fuss over this, that would mean something, but you're the only one. Even the site owner agreed it should be here, and you can't possibly believe you know better than the owner of the place what does or does not belong here.
It's not even that bad artistically. It's not popping with detail and color, sure, but that's the point of the composition. Though this being a predominately anime-based image board, it doesn't surprise me if the facts that her tits aren't residing in the middle of the alphabet and her thighs aren't threatening the formation of a singularity offends a portion of the userbase.
I appreciate that people don't come to Danbooru for politics, but "no politics" is not a rule we can enforce. I'm sure that if we started deleting anti-China posts under the guise of no politics, people would be outraged. "Not anime enough" is usually a smokescreen for "no politics", and "no politics" is usually a smokescreen for "no politics I disagree with".
It's not even that bad artistically. It's not popping with detail and color, sure, but that's the point of the composition. Though this being a predominately anime-based image board, it doesn't surprise me if the facts that her tits aren't residing in the middle of the alphabet and her thighs aren't threatening the formation of a singularity offends a portion of the userbase.
I come here to look at art, regardless of the style it's drawn in.
Arts and comics both for me, and I especially appreciate art that touches on the current events like this. Just because it's not your kettle of tea doesn't mean it isn't someone else's.
@thegourdlord , let me give you a bit of advice; if the idea of BLM related art or other political art on the site gets you in such a tizzy, you really have three options; ignore it, bitch or leave. I personally recommend the first, it makes life a lot easier when you learn to pick your battles and learn when to let go.
I don't know why it needs to be repeatedly explained to you, and nonamethanks has already explained it well enough, but to be perfectly frank, Danbooru is not an "anime imageboard". Maybe it could've been described that way ten years ago, but the site as expanded beyond simply being for anime styled or related things, long since before you even made your account.
This is blatantly wrong and the overwhelming majority of content being uploaded onto the site and being engaged with proves it. The "Overwatch" argument I've is a cop out as 90% of the art posted HERE about it is anime in style, which is consistent with the uploading terms of use. This is an anime imageboard.
"Not anime enough" is usually a smokescreen for "no politics", and "no politics" is usually a smokescreen for "no politics I disagree with".
I would say this is incorrect. It would not be difficult to be consistent and simply ban off-topic content depicted in a non-anime style. Nothing will convince a person who is serious that this image looks "anime" or "anime-inspired". I appreciate the transparency and it seems like you approved it out of an attempt to be consistent with your previous actions, which is good. But this ain't it.
This is blatantly wrong and the overwhelming majority of content being uploaded onto the site and being engaged with proves it. The "Overwatch" argument I've is a cop out as 90% of the art posted HERE about it is anime in style, which is consistent with the uploading terms of use. This is an anime imageboard.
I would say this is incorrect. It would not be difficult to be consistent and simply ban off-topic content depicted in a non-anime style. Nothing will convince a person who is serious that this image looks "anime" or "anime-inspired". I appreciate the transparency and it seems like you approved it out of an attempt to be consistent with your previous actions, which is good. But this ain't it.
The board has been here for at least 15 years so 90% of the content here is gonna be "anime" style art but for the past 5 or so years there's been a growing uptick in quality western art. Also keep in mind that the anime only rule was put in place so danbooru wouldn't turn into deviantart or any of the other image boards. Honestly the sooner we update that rule the sooner we can end this anime only nonsense.
"'No politics' is usually a smokescreen for 'no politics I disagree with'". Thank you for convey what I've been trying to express after all this fight for black people's rights and the racists protesting against it.
Danbooru is the place where I've encountered the most controversial art for me, but that's what it is: ART. It represents me or makes me feel. Other than that would mean that its message contradicts my points of view about my daily life.
Congratulations for the admins and mods taking a stance about all this issue.
"'No politics' is usually a smokescreen for 'no politics I disagree with'". Thank you for convey what I've been trying to express after all this fight for black people's rights and the racists protesting against it.
Danbooru is the place where I've encountered the most controversial art for me, but that's what it is: ART. It represents me or makes me feel. Other than that would mean that its message contradicts my points of view about my daily life.
Congratulations for the admins and mods taking a stance about all this issue.
Exactly. Nobody is saying you have to like what is posted. But you should still have enough maturity to respect it's significance. There are plenty of politics I highly disagree with but I don't disagree with a person's right to express them. I disagree with a person who is unwilling to see the inherent flaws in their understanding. A place like Danbooru is a good place not just because it has cute pictures or flashy shots, but because it introduces you to art that you might not see anywhere else. Exposure to different genres and artstyles is what allows people to grow. Being too comfortable is a double-edge sword because while you have the right like what you want, if you don't understand the reason why a person likes something else then you are gating yourself off.
Black Lives Matter is not about black people finally getting their due, but about getting other people in the world to understand why that due is necessary.
I object to the use of art for political discourse. A picture is worth a thousand words, but no one will ever agree as to what those words are, leading to nothing but disagreement. To HELL with political art.
I object to the use of art for political discourse. A picture is worth a thousand words, but no one will ever agree as to what those words are, leading to nothing but disagreement. To HELL with political art.
Art has been used for political expression for as long as art and politics have co-existed. That ship sailed several thousand years ago, so sorry you missed it.
I object to the use of art for political discourse. A picture is worth a thousand words, but no one will ever agree as to what those words are, leading to nothing but disagreement. To HELL with political art.
Art has always been a vehicle for politics and that will never change, Whether it's for anti censorship or standing in solidarity with movement. Screaming how you don't like it won't change that.
As a reminder, there is the option to blacklist tags offered natively on Danbooru. Go to the settings page in your user page and scroll to the bottom. That way you can remove content you don't want to see.
I wonder if this art will end up having the most comments
That reminds me to gsmarena.com where Sony Xperia phone reviews tend to get the most comment (due to fanboys and trolls mixing up together). I believe the recent one already exceeds 800+ or so.
I wish to ask (also because I haven't found a forum discussing it), but what would be the difference between allowing this, and posts mentioned before about Tiananmen Square (which was a pretty violent and political maneuver but still shared openly here) and the art uploads of Brenton Tarrant (which is measurably the same, but all of which were taken down)? After all, if art is allowed to express politics/events through sympathy OR parody, would it then make sense for any art fitting to the board accepted here? Including those parodying or mocking BLM, or artwork sympathizing with those against BLM, etc.?
I wish to ask (also because I haven't found a forum discussing it), but what would be the difference between allowing this, and posts mentioned before about Tiananmen Square (which was a pretty violent and political maneuver but still shared openly here) and the art uploads of Brenton Tarrant (which is measurably the same, but all of which were taken down)? After all, if art is allowed to express politics/events through sympathy OR parody, would it then make sense for any art fitting to the board accepted here? Including those parodying or mocking BLM, or artwork sympathizing with those against BLM, etc.?
Danbooru as a general rule does not support bigotry or hostility toward any group of individuals, be it a matter of race, religion, sexual orientation or anything else. I don't know anything about the posts you're referring to, but mocking and inflammatory works that appear to serve no other purpose but to attack or demean others is not the same as artwork that simply represents or discusses an issue. Something can be a parody without being disrespectful or offensive.
This particular image is nothing more than a dark skinned individual wearing a shirt that says "Black Lives Matter" There's nothing inherently offensive about the artwork, and it's clearly not intended to be. If a political argument started over it, that wouldn't be the fault of the image.
Danbooru as a general rule does not support bigotry or hostility toward any group of individuals, be it a matter of race, religion, sexual orientation or anything else. I don't know anything about the posts you're referring to, but mocking and inflammatory works that appear to serve no other purpose but to attack or demean others is not the same as artwork that simply represents or discusses an issue. Something can be a parody without being disrespectful or offensive.
This particular image is nothing more than a dark skinned individual wearing a shirt that says "Black Lives Matter" There's nothing inherently offensive about the artwork, and it's clearly not intended to be. If a political argument started over it, that wouldn't be the fault of the image.
This is an irresponsible take. BLM is responsible for more violence and hatred recently than any contemporary right wing political movement or any shitposters from /pol/ or something. I've seen lots of calling for the deaths of white people and police recently, and tens of actual murders as a result of racial hatred of whites that happened over the past few weeks. But the uninformed will assume the movement is peaceful and idealistic because all the unsavoryness is brushed under the rug. I'm sure the artist is one of those people and does not intend to promote interracial violence, but what you say about right wing content is inconsistent with BLM.
This is an irresponsible take. BLM is responsible for more violence and hatred than any contemporary right wing political movement or any shitposters from /pol/ or something. I've seen lots of calling for the deaths of white people and police recently, and tens of actual murders as a result of racial hatred of whites that happened over the past few weeks. But the uninformed will assume the movement is peaceful and idealistic because all the unsavoryness is brushed under the rug. I'm sure the artist is one of those people and does not intend to promote interracial violence, but what you say about right wing content is inconsistent with BLM.
I never said anything right wing content, I said I don't know what the deal with those other works that got deleted from the site. If they weren't allowed to stay, then it's safe to assume they were offensive. Maybe they weren't, maybe they were just shit quality, I don't know.
It's very sad that people are dying over this, and I don't support that kind of thing at all, but cops wouldn't be under threats of violence nearly to the degree they are currently if they didn't indiscriminately murder innocent black men, women, and children every week. Last I heard, white on black violence numbered in the hundreds of deceased victims at least, and that's after the Jim Crow era.
This whole this is shitty on both sides, and there are lot of people, both white and black, that deserve life in prison for the things they've done. And the white ones don't seem to be getting that, they don't even lose their jobs.
I'm not going to discuss this any further, not with you, at least, because none of this changes the fact that this specific image is not an attack, direct or indirect, on anyone, nor is it by itself a call to violence or a demand for blood. Certain groups of people just want to stop being shot for walking down the street.
This is an irresponsible take. BLM is responsible for more violence and hatred recently than any contemporary right wing political movement or any shitposters from /pol/ or something. I've seen lots of calling for the deaths of white people and police recently, and tens of actual murders as a result of racial hatred of whites that happened over the past few weeks. But the uninformed will assume the movement is peaceful and idealistic because all the unsavoryness is brushed under the rug. I'm sure the artist is one of those people and does not intend to promote interracial violence, but what you say about right wing content is inconsistent with BLM.
This is the same exact reasoning used back in the day used against the civil rights marches. Many opponents of said marches argued, and argued strongly, that the civil rights movements were just a series of rogue agents out to destroy people for the sake of violence. And while yes, there was much violence, the movement as a whole was non-violent, as anyone of today would attest to, despite the fact that many, many people at the time thought that whoever was walking in the civil rights marches were inherently out to cause mayhem and destruction. People back then were attacked with dogs and high-pressure fire hoses because of how much the opponents of the marches thought they were a threat, even though looking back now anyone can see that they were not.
The same for Black Lives Matter. Yes, no movement for change is completely without rogue agents and there have been riots, but for the most part many of the marches have been rather peaceful. And more importantly, the reason for these marches didn't just pop up out of thin air. There are real, excruciatingly repeating circumstances on the part of the police and the system of justice as a whole that has caused a boiling of people's moods for a long time coming.
I advocate for non-violence and are more than willing to denounce anyone vehemently, even someone I agree with politically, if I believe they are doing wrong. But to incorrectly characterize a movement as inherently evil because of the misdeeds within it is just a poor understanding of the situation that brought about the movement in the first place. BLM didn't come about because of bad actors on the right or trolls or the like. It came about because there is gross injustice weaved in the very fabric of the system of justice and people have wanted that corrected for a long time.
I wish to ask (also because I haven't found a forum discussing it), but what would be the difference between allowing this, and posts mentioned before about Tiananmen Square (which was a pretty violent and political maneuver but still shared openly here) and the art uploads of Brenton Tarrant (which is measurably the same, but all of which were taken down)? After all, if art is allowed to express politics/events through sympathy OR parody, would it then make sense for any art fitting to the board accepted here? Including those parodying or mocking BLM, or artwork sympathizing with those against BLM, etc.?
I mean we have actual dictators and murderers on this thread such as in post #1314339. I don't know why everyone is losing their minds over a random person wearing a shirt.
if danbooru being an "anime art gallery" is outdated, why is it still the page description when i hover over the window or tab the front page is open in? gourdlord seems like a severely autistic /pol/ user, but he is correct in saying that people with unrestricted uploads, approves and mods exhibit very arbitrary standards when uploading or approving posts. also, this argument that an unrestricted upload is not the same as being approved is very silly, the only difference is that its 'peer reviewed' by another person when it needs to be approved, and 'peer reviewed' by the uploader when he has unrestricted uploads.
Danbooru as a general rule does not support bigotry or hostility toward any group of individuals, be it a matter of race, religion, sexual orientation or anything else.
so it's fine to host images of (violent) rape and other extreme porn, but when you risk offending a group of people it becomes an issue? lol
if danbooru being an "anime art gallery" is outdated, why is it still the page description when i hover over the window or tab the front page is open in? gourdlord seems like a severely autistic /pol/ user, but he is correct in saying that people with unrestricted uploads, approves and mods exhibit very arbitrary standards when uploading or approving posts. also, this argument that an unrestricted upload is not the same as being approved is very silly, the only difference is that its 'peer reviewed' by another person when it needs to be approved, and 'peer reviewed' by the uploader when he has unrestricted uploads.
so it's fine to host images of (violent) rape and other extreme porn, but when you risk offending a group of people it becomes an issue? lol
Nice strawman but there's a difference, one is fetish porn with imaginary characters and the other isn't.
Nice strawman but there's a difference, one is fetish porn with imaginary characters and the other isn't.
i dont see how you figure this to be a strawman. im saying that there's a double standard - one of many on this website - not that a particular image should or shouldn't be allowed. further, the characters being real or not is irrelevant; the images promote enjoyment of the suffering of others, which i would interpret as hostility towards an (group of) individual(s). to be clear, although i think the art style of the picture is bad, and that images likely to spur arguments like the ones going on on this page, there's no issue with the picture itself being on the website
I appreciate that people don't come to Danbooru for politics, but "no politics" is not a rule we can enforce. I'm sure that if we started deleting anti-China posts under the guise of no politics, people would be outraged. "Not anime enough" is usually a smokescreen for "no politics", and "no politics" is usually a smokescreen for "no politics I disagree with".
FUCKING FACTS RIGHT HERE
good to see someone is calling that out for what it is
This is an irresponsible take. BLM is responsible for more violence and hatred recently than any contemporary right wing political movement or any shitposters from /pol/ or something. I've seen lots of calling for the deaths of white people and police recently, and tens of actual murders as a result of racial hatred of whites that happened over the past few weeks. But the uninformed will assume the movement is peaceful and idealistic because all the unsavoryness is brushed under the rug. I'm sure the artist is one of those people and does not intend to promote interracial violence, but what you say about right wing content is inconsistent with BLM.
you call others uninformed while posting uninformed takes amusing
Like, on a principle and conceptual level I can understand it. The African-American community is fed up with police brutality, economic despair, and lingering racism. I get that, as the US has not exactly been a friendly place for them historically speaking. There are things that must change absolutely, as evidenced by the various SNAFUs committed by the judicial system.
But, I feel conflicted on actually supporting the movement. Some of their demands are too much to ask for, as evidenced by at least one group's interpretation (Apologies, I have not quite figured out how to add hyperlinks on danbooru):
Demanding the complete abolition of the police and prison system and the authority to create local anti-crime systems [read: militias] is too much. Likewise, demanding people to support black businesses and have hospitals hire black doctors specifically for black patients is at best, questionably worded. It's a shame too, because there are points I support (such as getting rid of for-profit prisons and rent control), but these feel like window dressing to the movement's main demands.
And then there's the racist elements that I am concerned are being encouraged rather than stamped out of the movement. Much as predominately Caucasian ethnicities have done to minorities, trying to guilt-trip people like it's some pseudo-religion is only going piss people off more than anything. And as an Asian-American, I do not exactly think we're going to be left alone if history has taught me anything.
This all comes back to what I perceive to be an image problem for BLM. Even if the movement has been promoting peaceful protesting, no one can deny that it has a rather murky and ambiguous image. The destruction of the Third Precinct building in Minneapolis (as well as countless businesses), the whole Capital Hill Autonomous Zone thing, the defacing and destruction of public monuments like it's 2003 Iraq all over again, and it's vague and extreme demands only weighs the movement down. BLM may not be (as) involved with some of these issues, but like the Brand of Sacrifice trouble does follow. Taking into account all these issues, BLM does not strike me as a sustainable movement: doomed to peter out like the Civil Rights movement.
To anyone who is affiliated with the movement, I am asking that you at least consider these issues, and avoid making the same mistakes that so many social movements have made. I want to believe in change, but I also don't want to be let down once again. History has taught me to be hopeful for change, but be skeptical of its harbingers.
Demanding the complete abolition of the police and prison system and the authority to create local anti-crime systems [read: militias] is too much. Likewise, demanding people to support black businesses and have hospitals hire black doctors specifically for black patients is at best, questionably worded. It's a shame too, because there are points I support (such as getting rid of for-profit prisons and rent control), but these feel like window dressing to the movement's main demands.
Not someone affiliated with the BLM movement, but I think it does need to be pointed out that the US prison system is pretty screwed up. While I have not actively dug into the details, the things that have floated into the areas I do pay attention to, such as tech, have really highlighted things that are cruel, absurd, and money grubbing. For example instead of letting prisoners be able to meet in person family members we have systematically been converting over to pushing everything to a system of "video visitations". While this does reduce costs on setting up and escorting prisoners to a room where they can meet family, it's less an effort to reduce costs and more an effort to increase profits by forcing these prisoners and their families to have to utilize the prison telecom systems that charge high rates per minute for using them, and because they're a monopoly the only options that you'll get then is either pay the high price or never talk to your family (and if I recall they pull this shit with even talking to a lawyer as well).
Not someone affiliated with the BLM movement, but I think it does need to be pointed out that the US prison system is pretty screwed up. While I have not actively dug into the details, the things that have floated into the areas I do pay attention to, such as tech, have really highlighted things that are cruel, absurd, and money grubbing. For example instead of letting prisoners be able to meet in person family members we have systematically been converting over to pushing everything to a system of "video visitations". While this does reduce costs on setting up and escorting prisoners to a room where they can meet family, it's less an effort to reduce costs and more an effort to increase profits by forcing these prisoners and their families to have to utilize the prison telecom systems that charge high rates per minute for using them, and because they're a monopoly the only options that you'll get then is either pay the high price or never talk to your family (and if I recall they pull this shit with even talking to a lawyer as well).
Again, I do not oppose the closure of for-profit prisons or other such questionable practices in the US. What I am opposed too is the idea of shutting down ALL forms of imprisonment. Frankly, some people are just too dangerous to let back out into the streets, and deserve to be isolated from greater society. For the Ted Bundy types, rare as they are, I'm not sure how you could trust someone like that to be left to their devices after some group therapy. Nor could you trust that the survivors/families of victims won't go over and behead these types for what they did. A lot of these demands were likely made in the "heat of the moment," with little detail or clarification on the matter. There's a sense of "what's next" that I get from a lot of the protesters, as protest fatigue starts to settle in. The movement does not have a clearly defined and unified idea as to what "defund" or "abolish" the police even means. You've got some that want to defund police budgets by an arbitrary percentage to fund other initiatives and public services , others that want to abolish the police and contract out county services (see Camden, NJ), some that want social workers to take over, and others that just are straight up anarchists, believing that any form of organized security and judicial system is inherently wrong. What sort of changes does BLM want? I don't even know what I'm supporting anymore honestly, because it feels like their demands and details shift all the time.
"Defund the police" was a terrible choice of slogan as the name is far more radical than what it truly stands for, which gives the media an easier time of blowing it out of proportion than they usually have.
"Defund the police" was a terrible choice of slogan as the name is far more radical than what it truly stands for, which gives the media an easier time of blowing it out of proportion than they usually have.
Considefing Minneapolis voted to completely dismantle the Police Department, I don't think its being blown out of proportion that "defund the police" means "defund the police".
Considefing Minneapolis voted to completely dismantle the Police Department, I don't think its being blown out of proportion that "defund the police" means "defund the police".
It might now that it's been blown out of its original proportions, likely lead on by that phrase, but that wasn't the movement's initial intention. "Defund" referred to lowering funding for military-grade hardware and combat units attached to police departments and shifting it to social reform programs; it was pretty quickly twisted to "cop man bad, delete cop spawnpoint."
I was on a plane about two weeks ago and about five rows up on the opposite side was a girl in her late teens with apple-green hair and a Pikachu backpack. She lowered her mask each time she needed to cough and about 30 seconds seconds after the pilot's "we're beginning our descent and are likely to encounter rough air, please keep your seatbelts fastened" announcement her head hit the overhead luggage compartment. A week later she was on the same flight with me going the other direction; she had to argue her way through checking in because she didn't have ID with her and dropped a purse full of change all over the security station.
Well, since I can't really be bothered to write my own reply right now here's Selvokaz's reply to when you said it last time since you either missed it or are willfully ignoring it. Tldr: Using all lives matter to denounce black lives makes no sense and is outright self contradictory if you actually take the "all" at face value.
Selvokaz said:
I can't believe I'm wasting one of my hourly comments on this, but.. I'll explain it to you though you'll likely not listen despite it coming from another black person why the term "All Lives Matter," is insulting to BLM and those who support it.
Quite frankly it's like this, "No **** All Lives Matter." but the term BLM is about the fact that due to police overtly brutalizing Black people, they are treated as if their lives DON'T MATTER, as the system that being the government and powers that be largely ignore the pleas of Black Lives and their struggles within the system that is supposed to be fair regardless of one's skin color. Underfunded educational programs, and underdeveloped educational institutions within the black community leads to less than fairly competitive work opportunities for minorities especially blacks, you mentioned you yourself as having gone to college whether you completed it our not, yet I'm willing to bet your elementary and high school IF predominantly black didn't have the same access to materials, classes and programs as say a more affluential high school that may have been mostly white. The call of BLM matter shines a light on the systematic racism forced on the black community, and what that does to the community as a whole. You could contribute the reason why more of us turn to criminal activity to a lot of things but it all comes back in truth to a few key points, poverty, lack of opportunities, under-educated, very little hope. Even if a black person somehow makes it up to some point of success his/her community is likely to tear that person down simply because they did succeed and they largely didn't, it's one when most black people do reach some level of success they immediately have to hide it and move out of their predominantly black community, their fore removing any signs of hope and prosperity from their own community, it's a vicious cycle. So when you say, "All Lives Matter!" what you're rallying doing at least when its done in response to BLM here in America, you're trying to drown out the Black Community for asking for the simple rights and prilivages everyone else gets for free despite also being born American. You're probably asking what are those privileges? The right to seek, peace freedom and prosperity like everyone else.
Keep in mind it was re-approved when it was flagged. Perhaps you should get more acquainted with what's allowed, since it's a lot more than you seem to think.
no it's called political bias, i'd bet a 5 that if the shirt said MAGA it would've been deleted
no it's called political bias, i'd bet a 5 that if the shirt said MAGA it would've been deleted
I mean we have things like post #2539660, along with an entire dozen of Emperor Trump posts and 30 MAGA-tagged posts. At least for me, I am not so politically charged that if I see something political (regardless of my side) that it factors into my decision to approve things. We had a very similar shitstorm over post #3268133 as well and my stance is unchanged.
I want to change the world's opinion that the majority of western otakus are right-wing white supremacist fuckheads. This comment section (specifically scattered in the bottom half) makes me believe its possible. BLM, and I don't care if it offends the little monsters from /pol/ and its ilk.
This is an irresponsible take. BLM is responsible for more violence and hatred recently than any contemporary right wing political movement or any shitposters from /pol/ or something. I've seen lots of calling for the deaths of white people and police recently, and tens of actual murders as a result of racial hatred of whites that happened over the past few weeks. But the uninformed will assume the movement is peaceful and idealistic because all the unsavoryness is brushed under the rug. I'm sure the artist is one of those people and does not intend to promote interracial violence, but what you say about right wing content is inconsistent with BLM.
Thegourdlord is correct. However noble its beginnings, BLM has become a conduit for looting, arson, murder, and racist hatred of white cops and even white civilians; and the media is complicit. People who actually want to help black Americans ought to abandon this poisoned movement and focus on addressing the reasons why relations between police and black Americans got so bad in the first place, such as gang-motivated violence: the answer is certainly not "because white people are racist."
Call me whatever names you like. It doesn't change the facts of the matter. I don't like this post, but on evazion's rationale, it ought to stay. I support free speech.
"'No politics' is usually a smokescreen for 'no politics I disagree with'". Thank you for convey what I've been trying to express after all this fight for black people's rights and the racists protesting against it.
Danbooru is the place where I've encountered the most controversial art for me, but that's what it is: ART. It represents me or makes me feel. Other than that would mean that its message contradicts my points of view about my daily life.
Congratulations for the admins and mods taking a stance about all this issue.
On evazion's rationale, this post ought to stay, but I must disagree with the false dichotomy that if you don't support BLM, you're a racist. That's like saying someone who doesn't drive hates cars. The world is not so simple. I think most of the people who are against BLM have more of a problem with arson and looting than they do with black people. BLM is basically just another of the bankers' tools to keep the peasants divided along ethnic and political lines.
Like, on a principle and conceptual level I can understand it. The African-American community is fed up with police brutality, economic despair, and lingering racism. I get that, as the US has not exactly been a friendly place for them historically speaking. There are things that must change absolutely, as evidenced by the various SNAFUs committed by the judicial system.
But, I feel conflicted on actually supporting the movement. Some of their demands are too much to ask for, as evidenced by at least one group's interpretation (Apologies, I have not quite figured out how to add hyperlinks on danbooru):
Demanding the complete abolition of the police and prison system and the authority to create local anti-crime systems [read: militias] is too much. Likewise, demanding people to support black businesses and have hospitals hire black doctors specifically for black patients is at best, questionably worded. It's a shame too, because there are points I support (such as getting rid of for-profit prisons and rent control), but these feel like window dressing to the movement's main demands.
And then there's the racist elements that I am concerned are being encouraged rather than stamped out of the movement. Much as predominately Caucasian ethnicities have done to minorities, trying to guilt-trip people like it's some pseudo-religion is only going piss people off more than anything. And as an Asian-American, I do not exactly think we're going to be left alone if history has taught me anything.
This all comes back to what I perceive to be an image problem for BLM. Even if the movement has been promoting peaceful protesting, no one can deny that it has a rather murky and ambiguous image. The destruction of the Third Precinct building in Minneapolis (as well as countless businesses), the whole Capital Hill Autonomous Zone thing, the defacing and destruction of public monuments like it's 2003 Iraq all over again, and it's vague and extreme demands only weighs the movement down. BLM may not be (as) involved with some of these issues, but like the Brand of Sacrifice trouble does follow. Taking into account all these issues, BLM does not strike me as a sustainable movement: doomed to peter out like the Civil Rights movement.
To anyone who is affiliated with the movement, I am asking that you at least consider these issues, and avoid making the same mistakes that so many social movements have made. I want to believe in change, but I also don't want to be let down once again. History has taught me to be hopeful for change, but be skeptical of its harbingers.
Kudos. This is a balanced take. BLM is not what people think it is.
As a reminder, there is the option to blacklist tags offered natively on Danbooru. Go to the settings page in your user page and scroll to the bottom. That way you can remove content you don't want to see.
Well, unlike what a few people here said, it's (vaguely) animé-style and, compared to quite a few pictures on this site, pretty decent quality-wise. I try not to let politics prevent me from appreciating art for art's sake.
