Trial by combat?

Awww Graf is blushing.

Mihaly Admiral: Let me test him if he's truly worthy

It reminded me of what Holden Cross said

"Daubeny! Show Yourself!"

“Someone, fetch me one of Iowa’s lightsabers.”

B4TL Do you think that Iowa, Warspite, Bismarck and Gangut would report the Dark Admiral transgression actions to Washington, London, Berlin and Moscow? Which would definitely resulting in foreign parties to increase their pressure to Japan about shipgirls right.

Imagine bringing a sword into a base full of superhumans with guns.

In all seriousness, you don’t go and treat something with a consciousness as mere weapons cuz someday it’s gonna come back and bite you in the ass for mistreatments. For something that is way stronger than you, you really don’t wanna get on their bad sides.

conongvang said:

Imagine bringing a sword into a base full of superhumans with guns.

In all seriousness, you don’t go and treat something with a consciousness as mere weapons cuz someday it’s gonna come back and bite you in the ass for mistreatments. For something that is way stronger than you, you really don’t wanna get on their bad sides.

Fire is a good servant but a bad master

conongvang said:

Imagine bringing a sword into a base full of superhumans with guns.

In all seriousness, you don’t go and treat something with a consciousness as mere weapons cuz someday it’s gonna come back and bite you in the ass for mistreatments. For something that is way stronger than you, you really don’t wanna get on their bad sides.

If all of he ship girls Leave Japan For one of the other countries that give them human rights, What could stop them?

That last panel seems to be a reference to reaction image hailing from Sangokushi manga by Yokoyama Mitsuteru. Not sure who's that supposed to be, but my best guess would be Zhuge Liang.

It's Guan Yu.

if he takes black kashima into the base, there's gonna be two kashimas isn't there?

KingsleyDawson said:

B4TL Do you think that Iowa, Warspite, Bismarck and Gangut would report the Dark Admiral transgression actions to Washington, London, Berlin and Moscow? Which would definitely resulting in foreign parties to increase their pressure to Japan about shipgirls right.

Probably, and if the girls made sure to destroy the jammer in MP-Katori’s suitcase, they will have recorded plenty of evidence against him.

Edit: Let’s take a moment to gauge the strength of each side present.

Kuso Admiral:
1.MP-Kashima and Katori, and at this point Kashima is likely to not fight, and may even aid Ido-camp. Katori probably wouldn’t put much heart into it either.

2.Kuro-Kirishima

3.Himself with a sword.

At present in the room Idomiral has:

1.Bismarck

2.Nagato

3.Choukai

4.Atlanta

5. His own Kirishima

6.Graf Zeppelin

7.Warspite

8.Yamato

A_Lurker said:

Probably, and if the girls made sure to destroy the jammer in MP-Katori’s suitcase, they will have recorded plenty of evidence against him.

Edit: Let’s take a moment to gauge the strength of each side present.

Kuso Admiral:
1.MP-Kashima and Katori, and at this point Kashima is likely to not fight, and may even aid Ido-camp. Katori probably wouldn’t put much heart into it either.

2.Kuro-Kirishima

3.Himself with a sword.

At present in the room Idomiral has:

1.Bismarck

2.Nagato

3.Choukai

4.Atlanta

5. His own Kirishima

6.Graf Zeppelin

7.Warspite

8.Yamato

Yup sounds like he's fucked....... Hopefully

A_Lurker said:

At present in the room Idomiral has:

7.Warspite

This is really all that is needed to fuck him- and quite possibly the admiralty as a whole- nine ways to Sunday. Warspite is an active M16 agent. Hell, a number of the faeries are! At this point, even if Warspite hasn't personally done so herself, the British government has probably been notified of what's going on or is in the process of being contacted. That doesn't even account for how many bugs Gangut and Iowa have planted, if only out of mutual animosity, and who they might forward the recordings to. If Russia, the USA, and the United Kingdom all disapprove of this line of action and withdraw direct support RE: Loaning kanmusu as a result, it would probably embarrass high command.

That doesn't even begin the question of why it was brought up that Mamiya was listening in on comms during the war, and was a disciplinarian. That's a gun that has yet to fire if it was for more than a simple sub sonar gag.

Edit: Forgot that it's even an in-game mechanic is that shipgirls with poor morale get worse battle results (or at least EXP) than high morale shipgirls. This old fart is actually objectively wrong even from a simple efficiency standpoint.

Yamato's speech: translation, Bitch i can wreck ur ass

Wait, why is Mister X drawing his katana? Is he seriously planning on killing Admiral?

Seravee said:

Yamato's speech: translation, Bitch i can wreck ur ass

Yamato vs Black Kirishima. Yes please.

The thing about the Admiral's tirade is that he ISN'T wrong. He's just unaware of the genre that he's currently in (Comedy/Slice of Life as opposed to War Drama). This is a world that NEEDS the kind of sheer firepower Shipgirls can dole out. What kind of world would need bionic robot-girls that can decimate cities from sheerpower? The kind that would need that sort of appropriate response. All the people in the comments are a bunch of white knights taking the side of the comedy Admiral because they're a bunch of pretty girls to them; not soldiers who should be on the front lines taking the seas back from a hostile force with the destructive power to shove them right back. None of the commenters would so much as bother if this was a war drama with a bunch of grizzled men, but because it's a bunch of pretty girls who they're utterly unable to understand as soldiers before women, they go back and go on about how the Admiral is inappropriate. The younger Admiral is not in the right here. As someone who's supposed to be pushing a counter-offensive, he's more bothered with the shenanigans that are going on on his base over the war.

For the audience, it's a joy to watch these shenanigans, but imagine being an actual person in the setting who has to put up with this? It's the "Sitcom Dilemma" played up, but in this case, Ido, judging by the writing, can't do anything but fall back on the "Admiral Is Mean To Girls And Therefore A Bad Guy" and the folks in the comments eat it up because they're detached spectators. I like this series, but if Ido, like so many others before him, falls back on the "This dude is mean to the girls instead of treating them all like Princesses", that'll just throw this series back to average. The perspective of the Admiral is meant to be one adhering to order, protocol and duty. This base's Admiral would, in any other context, be considered incompetent and detrimental to the war effort.

He's not being an utter ass for the sake of it. He's pointing out that there are PRIORITIES that have to be adhered and that people's LIVES are in the hands of this motley crue and they seem to be going about it by running stupid feuds with one another and executing shenanigan after shenanigan instead of having an eye on what's important. Imagine fighting a hard war, your comrades dropping left and right, and you arrive at this base where they don't even pay attention to the rising body count and play around the way they do.

Byakushi said:

The thing about the Admiral's tirade is that he ISN'T wrong. He's just unaware of the genre that he's currently in (Comedy/Slice of Life as opposed to War Drama). This is a world that NEEDS the kind of sheer firepower Shipgirls can dole out. What kind of world would need bionic robot-girls that can decimate cities from sheerpower? The kind that would need that sort of appropriate response. All the people in the comments are a bunch of white knights taking the side of the comedy Admiral because they're a bunch of pretty girls to them; not soldiers who should be on the front lines taking the seas back from a hostile force with the destructive power to shove them right back. None of the commenters would so much as bother if this was a war drama with a bunch of grizzled men, but because it's a bunch of pretty girls who they're utterly unable to understand as soldiers before women, they go back and go on about how the Admiral is inappropriate. The younger Admiral is not in the right here. As someone who's supposed to be pushing a counter-offensive, he's more bothered with the shenanigans that are going on on his base over the war.

For the audience, it's a joy to watch these shenanigans, but imagine being an actual person in the setting who has to put up with this? It's the "Sitcom Dilemma" played up, but in this case, Ido, judging by the writing, can't do anything but fall back on the "Admiral Is Mean To Girls And Therefore A Bad Guy" and the folks in the comments eat it up because they're detached spectators. I like this series, but if Ido, like so many others before him, falls back on the "This dude is mean to the girls instead of treating them all like Princesses", that'll just throw this series back to average. The perspective of the Admiral is meant to be one adhering to order, protocol and duty. This base's Admiral would, in any other context, be considered incompetent and detrimental to the war effort.

He's not being an utter ass for the sake of it. He's pointing out that there are PRIORITIES that have to be adhered and that people's LIVES are in the hands of this motley crue and they seem to be going about it by running stupid feuds with one another and executing shenanigan after shenanigan instead of having an eye on what's important. Imagine fighting a hard war, your comrades dropping left and right, and you arrive at this base where they don't even pay attention to the rising body count and play around the way they do.

Now let me tell you why that's bullshit.

The Vice-Admiral's position isn't that Idobase is too undisciplined. He had no idea what was actually going on at the base until he actually got there. His plan all along was to get the Admiral sacked. Nothing he's doing is actually based on what he's seen at the base. He just ended up getting a better case to do so than he expected.

Idobase's shipgirls aren't so busy with antics that they aren't effective. The Vice-Admiral himself even admitted they perform excellently in combat. It's not about forcing discipline on them so they won't be ineffective.

Black Kashima's flashbacks show her having her life threatened because she didn't salute properly or because one of her superiors didn't like her smiling. That's not a realistic level of discipline that an army needs; That's psychotic.

The Vice-Admiral has made it clear that Japan is dehumanizing their Shipgirls for the sake of convenience. Not because they need to; other countries are treating their shipgirls humanely and are pressuring Japan to do the same.

Kaktus_Lata said:

The Vice-Admiral has made it clear that Japan is dehumanizing their Shipgirls for the sake of convenience. Not because they need to; other countries are treating their shipgirls humanely and are pressuring Japan to do the same.

This comes back to my question, why is it JUST THE IJN that treat the shipgirls like this? Almost every fan comic has shown at least one complete pile of shit in a Japanese uniform, while most foreign Admirals while steriotypes of their nations aren't nearly as shitheel as their IJN equevelent.

Kaktus_Lata said:

The Vice-Admiral has made it clear that Japan is dehumanizing their Shipgirls for the sake of convenience. Not because they need to; other countries are treating their shipgirls humanely and are pressuring Japan to do the same.

This is the key thing here. They're demoralizing their combat force and treating them as disposable for the sake of convenience. While this may see short-term dividends, it's a horrific strategy for the long term and defies common sense. We can already see the "fruits" of this strategy; they're not gonna be loyal to you! If they see an opening to escape it, they may well take it, and we know the abyssals are capable of taking pretty decent care of their "hostages".

Furthermore, in reality, these are likely all high-level kanmusu. A lot of resources and time has gone into their development and combat experience. The ships themselves, relatively cheap to replace (or not- as any admiral trying to construct Yamato). That experience? How much fuel and ammo did it take to get them to where they are? Yeah, that's not so easily replaced.

Not counting any of thus, part of why they are so effective is their high morale. You want poor performance? Send a force with rock bottom morale into battle. Watch the rout. Hell, there's even a gameplay mechanic to reflect that. Who the fuck deliberately destroys their own forces' morale!? The only conceivable reason to do that would be if you were working for the enemy in the first place!

Also worth remembering the abyssals are not exactly incompetent, just goofy. They have tried to capitalize on perceived mistakes in the past in this comic (IE, the time the admiral used their spying to make them think he was incompetent only to spring a very high risk, high-reward trap).

Yeah, this admiral's gunning to lose his war just as badly as the IJN lost theirs in WW II.

cd_young said:

This comes back to my question, why is it JUST THE IJN that treat the shipgirls like this? Almost every fan comic has shown at least one complete pile of shit in a Japanese uniform, while most foreign Admirals while steriotypes of their nations aren't nearly as shitheel as their IJN equevelent.

Because the game is Japan-focused (More specifically, IJN focused), probably, and because Japan has the infamous "Black Company" workplace culture which the authors of most fanworks are familiar with at least as a trope.

Kaktus_Lata said:

Now let me tell you why that's bullshit.

The Vice-Admiral's position isn't that Idobase is too undisciplined. He had no idea what was actually going on at the base until he actually got there. His plan all along was to get the Admiral sacked. Nothing he's doing is actually based on what he's seen at the base. He just ended up getting a better case to do so than he expected.

Idobase's shipgirls aren't so busy with antics that they aren't effective. The Vice-Admiral himself even admitted they perform excellently in combat. It's not about forcing discipline on them so they won't be ineffective.

Black Kashima's flashbacks show her having her life threatened because she didn't salute properly or because one of her superiors didn't like her smiling. That's not a realistic level of discipline that an army needs; That's psychotic.

The Vice-Admiral has made it clear that Japan is dehumanizing their Shipgirls for the sake of convenience. Not because they need to; other countries are treating their shipgirls humanely and are pressuring Japan to do the same.

Stop defending things just because it has pretty girls in it. Even if the Admiral here wasn't a one dimensional "meany", there are plenty of things wrong with the management of base personnel. Infiltration by enemy forces, compromise, a lack of discipline, fooling around. It's like a bunch of SWAT members taking selfies in the middle of a gang siege. You're only defending this because it has Shipgirls and you've wired yourself into playing the dashing knight. I can at least see the clash of genres. This is more a "Homer's Enemy" episode than anything else. Imagine angsting because your XO told you to do push ups because your shirt was untucked. You wouldn't last a day in the cadets.

For the other Admiral, this is a setting of war. For the main Admiral, he is aware he is in some absurd comedy where the consequences are non-existent. The latter is correct, but the former being a genre stepover is just as valid, arse that he is about it. I don't see your arse holding signboards telling Lieutenants to stop chewing out their subordinates at their bases, so your morality lies solely with the fact that it's a bunch of imaginary Shipgirls whose pants you want to get into.

Bloody White Knights.

You know, there are several time pseudo-military genre tried to dehumanized its main force for the sake of survival, and end up by almost global mass extinction.

Also, I will do the same to Tokuen Ranbu guys and any other non-girl exclusive game if same thing happened.

Ignoring what "white knight"guy is going on about, there's also another point to consider : that MP admital's evidences aren't enough for "dismissal".

Diciplinary actions such as labors or cutting pays, or even demotion? Sure. Dismiss an officer in active warfront, espicially ones proven to be effective at their job of fighing the enemy? Not gonna stick for any long time.

The most he could do is what Admiral Yi gone through : Get demoted and dismissed from frontline post, then get back to old post and rank after the guy that replaced him fuck up so bad Korea was going to lose again.

Byakushi said:

Imagine angsting because your XO told you to do push ups because your shirt was untucked. You wouldn't last a day in the cadets.

I don't see your arse holding signboards telling Lieutenants to stop chewing out their subordinates at their bases, so your morality lies solely with the fact that it's a bunch of imaginary Shipgirls whose pants you want to get into.

Bloody White Knights.

Son, there's a massive difference between your commanding officer expecting you to behave with a certain level of discipline, professionalism, and respect, and your CO treating you as if you're not human and your wellbeing is meaningless beyond being a tool of war. Morale is important for winning battles, you can't win anything if your troops are miserable fighting for you, it doesn't matter if they're cute girls or not.

If you dropped your "white knight" bullshit and actually read the comic, Vice Admiral treats his shipgirls as if they're not even people, he treats the only tools at his disposal that can actually fight this war for him with a level of inhuman disregard that I'm shocked the IJN even has a functioning navy in this universe. This is how you inspire desertion and rebellion.

Don't even bring "genres" into this, no one is acting the way they do because of genres, the Vice Admiral is just an asshole, he would be asshole even if they weren't at war. That's pretty damn evident from his speech and behavior. There's no justification for it, he's just an asshole.

blindVigil said:

Son, there's a massive difference between your commanding officer expecting you to behave with a certain level of discipline, professionalism, and respect, and your CO treating you as if you're not human and your wellbeing is meaningless beyond being a tool of war. Morale is important for winning battles, you can't win anything if your troops are miserable fighting for you, it doesn't matter if they're cute girls or not.

If you dropped your "white knight" bullshit and actually read the comic, Vice Admiral treats his shipgirls as if they're not even people, he treats the only tools at his disposal that can actually fight this war for him with a level of inhuman disregard that I'm shocked the IJN even has a functioning navy in this universe. This is how you inspire desertion and rebellion.

Don't even bring "genres" into this, no one is acting the way they do because of genres, the Vice Admiral is just an asshole, he would be asshole even if they weren't at war. That's pretty damn evident from his speech and behavior. There's no justification for it, he's just an asshole.

Bya is also acting like troops in real life all follow protocol and orders to the letter, and that real life bases are like an insect hive. Troops stationed on bases are not drones, and do in fact get up to incredible amounts of weird situations and WTF scenarios.

I’ve heard of scenarios where, while on the machine gun training range, a deer or hog will appear from the treeline. All fire will stop for a second, then several dozen streams of tracers will light up the animal in question. I’ve heard of similar where an animal will appear on a tank gunnery practice range. And of course there’s always the Bored Marine.

krossite said:

The most he could do is what Admiral Yi gone through : Get demoted and dismissed from frontline post, then get back to old post and rank after the guy that replaced him fuck up so bad Korea was going to lose again.

The Vice Admiral is severely disregarding the fact that there is a freaking United Nations outpost on base. If he or one of his people took command of the base and began treating the troops the way they plan too, shipgirls would flock there en masse. And the new commander could yell and scream about desertion all he wanted to, but he couldn’t make them come out. And if he tried to force his way in with MP-shipgirls, then the next days news headlines the world over would read “Japanese Officer attempts to storm UN outpost with secret police force. Secret police force defects. Officer found alive tied to outpost’s Dutch windmill.”

A_Lurker said:

Troops stationed on bases are not drones, and do in fact get up to incredible amounts of weird situations and WTF scenarios.

Even during WWII soldiers are know to goof around during their free time
https://www.warhistoryonline.com/world-war-ii/the-funniest-pictures-of-ww2.html (Some of the examples)

Byakushi said:

He's not being an utter ass for the sake of it. He's pointing out that there are PRIORITIES that have to be adhered and that people's LIVES are in the hands of this motley crue and they seem to be going about it by running stupid feuds with one another and executing shenanigan after shenanigan instead of having an eye on what's important. Imagine fighting a hard war, your comrades dropping left and right, and you arrive at this base where they don't even pay attention to the rising body count and play around the way they do.

He's an ass because he's a corrupted POS that probably has a further agenda beyond winning the war, remember that in the previous page Sazanami guessed that the reason the Dark Admiral requested for their Admiral to be assigned to a shipgirl base was to get rid of him because he witnessed shady dealings and didn't wanted to be a part of it.
Beside his argument is also invalid for a simple reason: Ido's admiral gets results, Dark Admiral even admits that his results are "most impressive" and that he's "exceptional" in countering the Abyssal Fleet, I think there's a reason why it was Ido's admiral's fleet and not any other from Japan that was sent all the way to the European waters to help liberate them (and did it with outstanding results).

A smart General Staff is flexible enough to tolerate some shit and quirks from their units and officers if it keeps their morale high and they give results, as long as it doesn't become detrimental to the mission. To give you an example, general Grant's rampant alcoholism would had see him kicked from the Union army, but he was so good at kicking confederate ass that they let it slide.

So I wouldn't be surprised if the Dark Admiral and his clique want to use shipgirls for their own profit (as mercenaries,trafficking or even making a coup for example) and that his line of needing a iron discipline and considering shipgirls as weapons to keep fighting the war is just a bullshit justification to get rid of an obstacle to their personal gains.

A_Lurker said:

Bya is also acting like troops in real life all follow protocol and orders to the letter, and that real life bases are like an insect hive. Troops stationed on bases are not drones, and do in fact get up to incredible amounts of weird situations and WTF scenarios.

Case in point: Skippy's List

In reality, most of the expensive issues stemming from this base could probably be handled by sending the respective armored fighting vehicles back to their host counties.

Garrus said:

Case in point: Skippy's List

In reality, most of the expensive issues stemming from this base could probably be handled by sending the respective armored fighting vehicles back to their host counties.

Girls from various nations: “Oh it’s fine. It’s only happened two or three times.”

Idomiral: *throws files for the 11 or 12 (thus far) tank crashing incidents on table* “Although I will admit that I’m not even mad about Gamby’s incident, I’m actually thoroughly impressed.”

Edit: Actually, if you think about it, these incidents were probably covered by the girl in questions home Navy, or the UN.