Iowa and South Dakota: WE ARE RED and WE ARE LOVE YOU. 4 MORE YEARS, 4 MORE YEARS (Trump's side)!!!!!!
Colorado: Really?!
Houston and Atlanta: Has anyone save us there?! (both Houston in Texas and Atlanta in Georgia voted Biden, but Texas and Georgia flooded by red (Trump's side))
Are you fucking serious!? That rat bastard is a fucking COVID denier! The rest of the world is opening up again, only you idjits are still stuck in lockdown.
Are you fucking serious!? That rat bastard is a fucking COVID denier! The rest of the world is opening up again, only you idjits are still stuck in lockdown.
well...considering some people are in denial of simple task like wearing a face mask
well...considering some people are in denial of simple task like wearing a face mask
It's really twofold with this dumbass country of ours. On one hand Trump openly admitted to downplaying the virus with full knowledge of how dangerous it was to avoid causing a panic, effectively knowingly killing thousands of people that didn't need to die, and on the other hand you've got all the conspiracy crackpots and "Muh Freedom" asshats refusing to perform even the most basic of prevention methods, whether it be wearing a mask or washing their grimy hands, because masks are an act of suppression and oppression and everyday handsoap will give you cancer.
Honestly, I don't think I've ever been more ashamed to be an American.
Are you fucking serious!? That rat bastard is a fucking COVID denier! The rest of the world is opening up again, only you idjits are still stuck in lockdown.
That's hardly fair. The United States is host to all kinds of peoples who hate being told what to do. It's a divided nation, with no one agreeing on anything. No one can lead a mess like that.
bunkhead said: That rat bastard is a fucking COVID denier!
Technically, the President has only denied that it'll be as deadly as was reported. This is especially poignant when compared to the initial assessments of millions dead in a few months. I recall being told earlier in the year to be that it was going to be so severe. Personally, I'm still holding my panic until someone's assessment actually pans out.
The rest of the world is opening up again, only you idjits are still stuck in lockdown.
A number of countries that went into extended lockdowns earlier and were hailed for getting things under control are also considering going back into lockdowns due to newly emerging cases. The only thing the previous extended lockdown did was make it harder for people to endure the next one. Other countries that have few cases or deaths for one reason or another are pretty much just taking precaution against the rest of us; otherwise, business as normal for them. The United States is not in an exceptional lockdown mode for the most part. Some states are more severe than others, whether that is reasonable or not given their circumstances.
Technically, the President has only denied that it'll be as deadly as was reported. This is especially poignant when compared to the initial assessments of millions dead in a few months. I recall being told earlier in the year to be that it was going to be so severe. Personally, I'm still holding my panic until someone's assessment actually pans out.
A number of countries that went into extended lockdowns earlier and were hailed for getting things under control are also considering going back into lockdowns due to newly emerging cases. The only thing the previous extended lockdown did was make it harder for people to endure the next one. Other countries that have few cases or deaths for one reason or another are pretty much just taking precaution against the rest of us; otherwise, business as normal for them. The United States is not in an exceptional lockdown mode for the most part. Some states are more severe than others, whether that is reasonable or not given their circumstances.
There's already been 1.23 million deaths worldwide.
There are 9.58 infection cases in the US alone, and I believe you may have confused predicted estimates of "infected" for "dead."
Today, the US record for the first time 100,000 new cases in a single day.
Kansas, Minnesota, Idaho and others are declaring that hospitals are at or nearing max capacity, necessitating the deployment of field hospitals to handle the fall surge.
You might not personally be fucked, but this country sure is taking it lubeless.
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And I love how Gamby covered Sammy's eyes to protect her from all of the election bullshits, even though I think the former is secretly a Trump supporter herself, I mean her namesake bay is located in Alaska, a well-known red state.
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And I love how Gamby covered Sammy's eyes to protect her from all of the election bullshits, even though I think the former is secretly a Trump supporter herself, I mean her namesake bay is located in Alaska, a well-known red state.
She's from Washington.
Allaire said:
Ah yes, perfect. Very underused concept if you ask me. Iowa looks great in a red cap.
What exactly is Johnny up to.
What her sister Willie never could; sink the Iowa.
It's really twofold with this dumbass country of ours. On one hand Trump openly admitted to downplaying the virus with full knowledge of how dangerous it was to avoid causing a panic, effectively knowingly killing thousands of people that didn't need to die, and on the other hand you've got all the conspiracy crackpots and "Muh Freedom" asshats refusing to perform even the most basic of prevention methods, whether it be wearing a mask or washing their grimy hands, because masks are an act of suppression and oppression and everyday handsoap will give you cancer.
Honestly, I don't think I've ever been more ashamed to be an American.
I don't know where people get off saying COVID deaths are Trump's fault. That's literally not how America works. It's not the president's job to tell you how to handle your own health.
It's even weirder when you consider that he was labeled a xenophobe by his political rivals for originally suggesting the suspension of international travel (those same political rivals who went out of their way to show how xenophilic they were by telling people literally "Come to Chinatown," and "Come to the parade," and "Don't let it impact your daily life").
If something this pic explains the levels of "WTF is going in USA?" that the rest of the world is having at this time. People is time to clean your shitshow, maybe a country wide 12 steps for a complete recovery.
I don't know where people get off saying COVID deaths are Trump's fault. That's literally not how America works. It's not the president's job to tell you how to handle your own health.
It's even weirder when you consider that he was labeled a xenophobe by his political rivals for originally suggesting the suspension of international travel (those same political rivals who went out of their way to show how xenophilic they were by telling people literally "Come to Chinatown," and "Come to the parade," and "Don't let it impact your daily life").
... He not only underplayed the severity of the Coronavirus but gave out false and often borderline dangerously wrong information about it. He hosted several events that are known to have helped spread the thing. The federal response was borderline nonexistent and when it did act was sometimes detrimental to states own progress. His China travel ban was pointless and too late to do any good as most if not all the cases we had at that point have been traced from Europe. All his bitching about China has led to increased violence against Asian Americans. Finally he had a lot of time to prepare and plan for it and he seems to have done neither.
I don't know where people get off saying COVID deaths are Trump's fault. That's literally not how America works. It's not the president's job to tell you how to handle your own health.
Oh, yeah, I don't get it, either. How could the President, the leader of the country, the man who has access to information we don't, who's supposed to lead us in times of crisis, keep us informed, and give us direction based on accurate and true information, not hold any responsibility for people who died because portions of the country didn't take the virus seriously because the President told them not to take any precautions against it. When he knew, possibly better than anyone, how much of a threat it really was.
Yeah, if I got sick and died because someone spread the virus to me, because they weren't wearing a mask or using hand sanitizer, because the President told them they didn't need to, that would totally be entirely my fault. I should have known better.
Maybe he did make the best choice, maybe anything else he could have tried would have been worse. But we don't know that, we can't know that. What we do know is that he knowingly lied about how dangerous the virus was, and encouraged people to be complacent. And people believed him. And people died. And it's very possible that some of those people would still be alive if he had taken a different approach.
I don't know where people get off saying COVID deaths are Trump's fault. That's literally not how America works. It's not the president's job to tell you how to handle your own health.
It's even weirder when you consider that he was labeled a xenophobe by his political rivals for originally suggesting the suspension of international travel (those same political rivals who went out of their way to show how xenophilic they were by telling people literally "Come to Chinatown," and "Come to the parade," and "Don't let it impact your daily life").
It is the federal government's job to help the country deal with exceptional or emergency scenarios. A plague qualifies as both, and thus far Trump has done nothing but try to prop up wall street for his own re-election chances.
That people are so reactionary that wearing a simple face mask is considered on par with slavery (according to Barr) is beyond me. The suspension of travel obviously came to late, anyways, since it still spread in the US and we've become a far larger epicenter than China ever was.
The man has had two covid outbreaks in his inner circle, and continues to host massive rallies without proper precautions, which have had covid deaths linked back to them.
... He not only underplayed the severity of the Coronavirus but gave out false and often borderline dangerously wrong information about it. He hosted several events that are known to have helped spread the thing. The federal response was borderline nonexistent and when it did act was sometimes detrimental to states own progress. His China travel ban was pointless and too late to do any good as most if not all the cases we had at that point have been traced from Europe. All his bitching about China has led to increased violence against Asian Americans. Finally he had a lot of time to prepare and plan for it and he seems to have done neither.
How dare he hold rallies during an election year when the survival rate for Covid-19 is 99.x% for every age bracket.
blindVigil said:
Oh, yeah, I don't get it, either. How could the President, the leader of the country, the man who has access to information we don't, who's supposed to lead us in times of crisis, keep us informed, and give us direction based on accurate and true information, not hold any responsibility for people who died because portions of the country didn't take the virus seriously because the President told them not to take any precautions against it. When he knew, possibly better than anyone, how much of a threat it really was.
Yeah, if I got sick and died because someone spread the virus to me, because they weren't wearing a mask or using hand sanitizer, because the President told them they didn't need to, that would totally be entirely my fault. I should have known better.
Maybe he did make the best choice, maybe anything else he could have tried would have been worse. But we don't know that, we can't know that. What we do know is that he knowingly lied about how dangerous the virus was, and encouraged people to be complacent. And people believed him. And people died. And it's very possible that some of those people would still be alive if he had taken a different approach.
It's called the 10th amendment. He can say whatever he wants but it's up to each state to handle the outbreak.
How dare he hold rallies during an election year when the survival rate for Covid-19 is 99.x% for every age bracket.
First off it 7.6-10.3 leathalty on at risk population brackets and even healthy young adults and children still have over 1% chance of death from the virus which is still 1% too high. And while I don't know about extact numbers for us here in the United states I know that in Italy at leasty 70 percent of the population that survived had lasting side effects. Many of those cases are mild but some are as bad as never being able to walk again or leave their home without an oxygen mask. Hell even a lot of the mild ones are going to be lasting for the rest of their lives. And you know what sure it’s election season he can be expected to hold rallies but you know what else he could have done. Had effective safety precautions at them.
That people are so reactionary that wearing a simple face mask is considered on par with slavery (according to Barr) is beyond me. The suspension of travel obviously came to late, anyways, since it still spread in the US and we've become a far larger epicenter than China ever was.
That's sort of the problem with the accusation that it is all Trump's fault. It's the American people who are actually at fault. Literally anyone else could have been president, and things would be quite the same. Any action the government takes in the United States since this century is met with extreme scrutiny and disbelief from its own people; it always is. The government is trying to prevent a medical disaster, and people I personally know have told me they want a rebellion. Hundreds were saying "scam-demic" for months after they first heard word of the virus, and you expect them to take it seriously now just because the government says so?
Fighting spirit is deeply a part of American culture, so there will always be a significant element of willful defiance any time a governing entity takes an official stance on something. So sure, Trump lied, I think he did wrong, and he likely did it to protect his own image, but what would you have had him do? No one would ever believe the president.
How dare he hold rallies during an election year when the survival rate for Covid-19 is 99.x% for every age bracket.
So far deaths have exceeded predictions in all but 2 states and Puerto Rico. As well, it has exceeded deaths per week all except for the past few weeks (due to the count being incomplete). There is also a marked racial disparity in relation of deaths. This isn't to make a claim regarding systematic racism, which is a whole other clusterfuck, just to highlight that different communities are being impacted differently, and notably so.
Also consider different states with different population densities, making a straight comparison unreliable.
Not to mention the serious health conditions seen with those who have caught covid-19, especially neurological issues that is still very poorly understood.
There will always be an undercounting of covid-19 deaths, anyways, just due to statistics being unable to reflect unreported data.
Blindga said: ...So sure, Trump lied, I think he did wrong, and he likely did it to protect his own image, but what would you have had him do? No one would ever believe the president.
I say its Trump fault since he's the one stoking people's distrust in wearing masks and taking appropriate health measures. He's rallied against doctors, saying they inflate numbers. He makes many, many blatantly false claims that stoke confusion and distrust among his base.
I don't see how Trump can be blameless when people are responding to his claims.
Perhaps not blameless, but the American people wouldn't have needed his help to do what you just said and end up where we are anyways. If it wasn't him, it would be someone else.
Perhaps not blameless, but the American people wouldn't have needed his help to do what you just said and end up where we are anyways. If it wasn't him, it would be someone else.
I'm not going to pretend that even with much better leadership perhaps even with borderline perfect leadership we would not have had issues with the virus. But we probably would be doing if not a whole lot better, then at least better then we are now.
So far deaths have exceeded predictions in all but 2 states and Puerto Rico. As well, it has exceeded deaths per week all except for the past few weeks (due to the count being incomplete). There is also a marked racial disparity in relation of deaths. This isn't to make a claim regarding systematic racism, which is a whole other clusterfuck, just to highlight that different communities are being impacted differently, and notably so.
Also consider different states with different population densities, making a straight comparison unreliable.
Not to mention the serious health conditions seen with those who have caught covid-19, especially neurological issues that is still very poorly understood.
There will always be an undercounting of covid-19 deaths, anyways, just due to statistics being unable to reflect unreported data.
I say its Trump fault since he's the one stoking people's distrust in wearing masks and taking appropriate health measures. He's rallied against doctors, saying they inflate numbers. He makes many, many blatantly false claims that stoke confusion and distrust among his base.
I don't see how Trump can be blameless when people are responding to his claims.
He shut down travel between China and the US back in February. Beyond that, what else can he do? Dealing with the virus is handled at the state level and handling this virus has become so utterly politicized by the left just as much as the right.
He shut down travel between China and the US back in February. Beyond that, what else can he do? Dealing with the virus is handled at the state level and handling this virus has become so utterly politicized by the left just as much as the right.
He lied to people about the severity of the virus.
He discouraged taking any safety measures.
He publicly vilified governors who actually took action.
He portrayed the matter in the false dichotomy of, "we try to keep people safe or we support the economy".
He held public events and large gatherings that spread the virus further.
I can’t help but think of that “Always has been” meme when people talk about how messed up and contrived American elections are. Especially Presidential elections.
Kaktus_Lata said: He lied to people about the severity of the virus.
His main position appears to be "we can get over it" and something to the extent of "not letting it dominate our lives". I don't know about you but that's the kind of message I'd like to hear from a leader. I would have been annoyed if the message was "it'll be devastating", yet where we are now is the worst that will have happened.
He discouraged taking any safety measures.
Technically, he's just never mandated any and instead have let people decide how to handle their own level of caution. He seems to have expected that of individual states.
He publicly vilified governors who actually took action.
If you think someone's making poor decisions or the wrong decisions, you call them out. Isn't that what you're doing towards his approach?
He portrayed the matter in the false dichotomy of, "we try to keep people safe or we support the economy".
That's more of the media's spin. They've always hated how he never been some form of health dictator, calling down thunder from the CDC, and abandonning his own positions for other people's positions. What he has been calling for is more of a nuanced "we can do both" approach. Due to a lot of voices calling for health and safety prioritization, his policy on trying to keep the economy from stalling haved received greater focus. Also, the whole "not letting it dominate" thing above.
He held public events and large gatherings that spread the virus further.
The spread from these events have been low to nonexistent, much like any spread caused by the protests and the riots.
He's touted unproven medicine as miracle cures.
Not from a complete void. In this case, he was originally following reports. Others chose to politicize and denounce it and, from that, it's a quagmire. The real loser is actually the medication itself as nothing written about it's interaction with COVID19 will ever be properly explored or believed for some time.
A_Lurker said: I can’t help but think of that “Always has been” meme when people talk about how messed up and contrived American elections are. Especially Presidential elections.
The worst part is that one side's attempts to improve it is declared as "suppression" by the other; and, the other's attempts to improve it are declared as "corruption" by the first. You can barely make any headway in that kind of atmosphere.
The worst part is that one side's attempts to improve it is declared as "suppression" by the other; and, the other's attempts to improve it are declared as "corruption" by the first. You can barely make any headway in that kind of atmosphere.
What's the Democrats' idea of avoiding voter fraud?
That's more of the media's spin. They've always hated how he never been some form of health dictator, calling down thunder from the CDC, and abandonning his own positions for other people's positions. What he has been calling for is more of a nuanced "we can do both" approach. Due to a lot of voices calling for health and safety prioritization, his policy on trying to keep the economy from stalling haved received greater focus. Also, the whole "not letting it dominate" thing above.
Technically the MSM has been furious that he hasn't been a Dictator at all. They were expecting nation wide mandates (totalitarianism) during the Pandemic outbreak and Federal usurpation of a states right to self police (Fascism) and he did neither making the media almost literally foam at the mouth.
Steak said:
What's the Democrats' idea of avoiding voter fraud?
Control the presidency, the House, the Senate, the Judiciary and eliminate the Electoral College so Popular vote (which would mean California, New York, Michigan, Massachusetts and Missouri) would dictate a Blue Supermajority in perpetuity.
It's like people completely forgot about the toilet paper fiasco at the start of the lockdowns. An even worse version of that was what Trump was trying to avoid by downplaying the virus. Mass panic would easily kill more people and spread the virus faster than what has happened.
Likewise, they forget that at the same time Trump was stopping travel to China, the democrats were literally calling him xenophobic for it and telling people to go out and party and hug a Chinese person at China Town because its Chinese New Years, which (ignoring all the China mentions because physical contact with people is still physical contact with people) couldn't have possibly sped up the spread. This was around the time literally everybody else on the planet including the WHO were saying that there was no need to be concerned about what was going on in Wuhan.
Also as was already said, the state governments have immediate responsibility of controlling things within the state. They have a better understanding of what's needed, what can be done, and how to focus efforts since the federal government would be far too distant to make any reliable mandates. The best you should expect from the federal government is to give guidelines and provide support where requested.
Using hard numbers to compare the countries is also something I find unreliable. The population difference alone for the US makes it silly. And does anyone seriously believe China managed to stop the virus once they hit 90k or do you think they simply stopped reporting? How can I believe any country including the US is reporting reliable numbers? Simply put, I can't. I'm not American either and I am completely certain that my country is under reporting. That makes percentage comparisons similarly dubious.
It's like people completely forgot about the toilet paper fiasco at the start of the lockdowns. An even worse version of that was what Trump was trying to avoid by downplaying the virus. Mass panic would easily kill more people and spread the virus faster than what has happened.
You guys are simping for Trump so hard.
Newsflash: other countries that did take more thorough action than the US, where the head of state actually impressed on people the severity of the situation, had fewer deaths per capita than the US has. Trump didn't save anyone.
Are you fucking serious!? That rat bastard is a fucking COVID denier! The rest of the world is opening up again, only you idjits are still stuck in lockdown.
the world is closing down again, i'm from europe and pretty much every major country is going into full lockdown again
Steak said: What's the Democrats' idea of avoiding voter fraud?
The aspect of voter fraud that the Democrat party touts involves the opposite of what they denounce - voter suppression, intentional or otherwise. For example, sending everyone a mail-in ballot and extend the period to which the ballot can be returned. These are good ideas. The extreme of their current form is perplexing. For example, states allowing ballots postmarked days after the election (or not even postmarked? that might just be sensationalism talking) has normally finished invites the specter of electoral gamesmanship. Additionally, the unsolicited proliferation of mail-in ballots and advocation of using them early should have given ample time for any of the electorate that was going to use them. Giving additional time after what is normally the final day of the election just causes ambiguity to the tallying process which should be the straightforward part. I heard someone quip that participation (reality) TV does a better job tallying millions of votes.
escav said: Using hard numbers to compare the countries is also something I find unreliable. The population difference alone for the US makes it silly. And does anyone seriously believe China managed to stop the virus once they hit 90k or do you think they simply stopped reporting? How can I believe any country including the US is reporting reliable numbers? Simply put, I can't. I'm not American either and I am completely certain that my country is under reporting. That makes percentage comparisons similarly dubious.
Seeing how the CCP's idea of a quarantine lockdown is literally welding sick people into their apartments, I am fully willing to agree that they literally just stopped bothering to count after... say a million or so.
It's like people completely forgot about the toilet paper fiasco at the start of the lockdowns. An even worse version of that was what Trump was trying to avoid by downplaying the virus. Mass panic would easily kill more people and spread the virus faster than what has happened.
As others said. Other countries did not go into Mad Max panic despite lockdown and mask mandates and without politicians playing down the virus. If you think America is going to go into instant post-apocalypse mode the moment mask mandates are given, then that should be telling of the average American's level of maturity and responsibility.
Likewise, they forget that at the same time Trump was stopping travel to China, the democrats were literally calling him xenophobic for it and telling people to go out and party and hug a Chinese person at China Town because its Chinese New Years, which (ignoring all the China mentions because physical contact with people is still physical contact with people) couldn't have possibly sped up the spread. This was around the time literally everybody else on the planet including the WHO were saying that there was no need to be concerned about what was going on in Wuhan.
You can be anti-CCP and anti-WHO and NOT racist. Australia has been doing it by making clear they are only against the CCP and WHO's Handling of the pandemic. The average Chinese citizens are not at fault. Trump doesn't make that distinction because he wants a scapegoat he can project his whataboutism to.
Also as was already said, the state governments have immediate responsibility of controlling things within the state. They have a better understanding of what's needed, what can be done, and how to focus efforts since the federal government would be far too distant to make any reliable mandates. The best you should expect from the federal government is to give guidelines and provide support where requested.
Okay, so why is it that barely any red state senators and Trump himself listened to Fauci? Why did they say nothing when their people chanted "Fire Fauci" at their rallies? Why did they endorse anti-masker protests? Why did Trump distance himself from doctors who disagree with him and only choose yes-men?
Or even taking away the pandemic, when Trump's own scientists disputed his claims on the cause of the Californian wildfire, his quote was "I don't think science knows." Does that not make it obvious just how much he is putting his ego in front of scientific facts even when human lives are on the line?
Using hard numbers to compare the countries is also something I find unreliable. The population difference alone for the US makes it silly. And does anyone seriously believe China managed to stop the virus once they hit 90k or do you think they simply stopped reporting? How can I believe any country including the US is reporting reliable numbers? Simply put, I can't. I'm not American either and I am completely certain that my country is under reporting. That makes percentage comparisons similarly dubious.
It's not comparing hard numbers, it's comparing per capita. And yes, we don't trust China, so let's look at a third party instead then? India has 4 times the population of the USA and far, far worse infrastructures and a similarly divisive political climate but has 1 million less covid case and half the deaths.
I am in Thailand, a country where the people also hate our politicians' guts(there's a huge protest for the PM to resign right now) but at 1/5th the US's population, we only have 3800 cases total confirmed cases and only 60 deaths. That is 2478 times less cases and 3885 times less deaths. And like India, we're also technically a third world country yet now we're still open and doesn't look like we even have to go into lockdown again like Europe. So yes even by standards of politically divisive countries, regardless of population size, Trump still is doing the shittiest job.
So if your question is "what could he have done better?", it'd be to at least imitate these other hated politicians of other countries.
And I mean even putting all of that aside, now he's calling for votes to not be counted, while accusing the Dems for being the ones trying to steal the election. So even as a non-American, I can't fathom why anyone would have faith in such a vile, dumb, hypocritical and shallow human being.
And among this Biden still also suck, but he still is a very much, much lesser evil compared to the giant orange baby. Just saying in case anyone want to strawman me as a Dem hack(which again, being a non-American I don't even know how I can be one).
FJH said: That's more of the media's spin. They've always hated how he never been some form of health dictator, calling down thunder from the CDC, and abandonning his own positions for other people's positions. What he has been calling for is more of a nuanced "we can do both" approach. Due to a lot of voices calling for health and safety prioritization, his policy on trying to keep the economy from stalling haved received greater focus. Also, the whole "not letting it dominate" thing above.
I think the bigger issue is him trying to politicize the CDC for his own ends. Remember how he tried to get the CDC to change its reports on the coronavirus through his political appointee before they blew up in his face?
People, this is an anime image sharing website, not a political forum. Does politics really need to leak into every other facet of our lives? People come to this website to enjoy Eastern-style art, read funny manga, and escape the stresses of the real world for a little while, not call people names over muh politics.
People, this is an anime image sharing website, not a political forum. Does politics really need to leak into every other facet of our lives? People come to this website to enjoy Eastern-style art, read funny manga, and escape the stresses of the real world for a little while, not call people names over muh politics.
You can't escape reality. It doesn't matter your age or location, sooner or later you will have to face it because you are not a 2D character. So the sooner you realize the reality you live in, the better the life could be in your true realm. Food isn't something you get from watching manga. Also you are not forced to read the comments unless you decide it on your own.
azurelorochi said: As others said. Other countries did not go into Mad Max panic despite lockdown and mask mandates and without politicians playing down the virus. If you think America is going to go into instant post-apocalypse mode the moment mask mandates are given, then that should be telling of the average American's level of maturity and responsibility.
Toilet paper.
You can be anti-CCP and anti-WHO and NOT racist. Australia has been doing it by making clear they are only against the CCP and WHO's Handling of the pandemic. The average Chinese citizens are not at fault. Trump doesn't make that distinction because he wants a scapegoat he can project his whataboutism to.
That's literally arguing semantics and doesn't address the key point. He acted before anyone else did, and his critics did the exact opposite which would only worsen the problem.
Yeah, Trump said China. Because that's the name of the country. You're arguing for saying the Tories instead of the UK. Nobody does that. Nobody does the same for whatever Russia has either. Frankly it baffles me how China is treated so differently. But let's be real, it's not. Not in anyone's day to day. This is only an issue because we're talking about Trump.
Okay, so why is it that barely any red state senators and Trump himself listened to Fauci? Why did they say nothing when their people chanted "Fire Fauci" at their rallies? Why did they endorse anti-masker protests? Why did Trump distance himself from doctors who disagree with him and only choose yes-men?
Red states were not nearly as affected as blue states in the end so yeah. It's all down to the state's discretion to listen to Fauci which again was the point I was making. If anything you're making a good argument for why you shouldn't leave all final decisions to the Federal government, which Trump controlled in case you forget. If you think Trump did a bad job now, imagine how much worse it would be if the states HAD to follow whatever he says. But that wasn't the case and the states acted however they thought they needed to even up to sending infected elders to nursing homes in New York.
The only thing Trump had any actual authority to do was with regards to things like invoking the Defense Production Act which he did. Anything further and you'd call him a fascist for mandating how the states should be run and violating the 10th amendment.
I love how you brought up Fauci by the way. He said that the country should reopen back in May. Democrats decided to ignore that. Fauci also said it's safe to vote in person as long as you wear a mask and maintain social distancing. Democrats decided to ignore that too and pushed for mail in voting. So should people listen to the guy, or should they not? Or should the matter depend on whether or not it's convenient?
Or even taking away the pandemic, when Trump's own scientists disputed his claims on the cause of the Californian wildfire, his quote was "I don't think science knows." Does that not make it obvious just how much he is putting his ego in front of scientific facts even when human lives are on the line?
His argument was that the California wildfires were arson and not the cause of climate change. There were already people spotted at the highways with multiple eyewitnesses at the scenes of the fire who clearly had no business being there. More importantly, this was also happening when all the riots were going on. Whether or not such circumstantial evidence amounted to anything, investigations did finally pin one of the fires as being the result of an accident during a baby gender reveal party so the claim that fires were caused by climate change is indeed bunk.
It's not comparing hard numbers, it's comparing per capita. And yes, we don't trust China, so let's look at a third party instead then? India has 4 times the population of the USA and far, far worse infrastructures and a similarly divisive political climate but has 1 million less covid case and half the deaths.
I am in Thailand, a country where the people also hate our politicians' guts(there's a huge protest for the PM to resign right now) but at 1/5th the US's population, we only have 3800 cases total confirmed cases and only 60 deaths. That is 2478 times less cases and 3885 times less deaths. And like India, we're also technically a third world country yet now we're still open and doesn't look like we even have to go into lockdown again like Europe. So yes even by standards of politically divisive countries, regardless of population size, Trump still is doing the shittiest job.
Sorry but I already said I find all the numbers dubious and not just China's (they were just a prime example) so I was never going to bother arguing anything further. Cool that you believe some of them. I don't.
And I mean even putting all of that aside, now he's calling for votes to not be counted, while accusing the Dems for being the ones trying to steal the election.
And I don't blame him. Rule changes to accommodate mail in voting at the 11th hour. Extending the election past November 3 despite how elections are supposed to be called on the first Tuesday of November. Lack of custody security of the ballots making it difficult to know whether they're legit or not (mail in votes are NOT the same as absentee ballots which have a proper chain of custody). Some states saying they won't bother to check the post marks for late coming mail in ballots. Vote counts being higher than the number of registered voters in a county. Suspiciously large numbers for Biden suddenly turning up without a single one for any of the other candidates. Republican ballot watchers being denied entry into the counting areas to supervise. Dead voters casting in ballots (one of them would be 120 years old if he was still alive).
It's all shady as hell and at least warrants an investigation. Even a single impropriety should warrant an investigation even in a seemingly clean election.
If you're confident that there was no foul play then surely you wouldn't be against an investigation that will disprove these on an official capacity? Hell you might even find that Trump was cheating. Wouldn't that be grand.
That's literally arguing semantics and doesn't address the key point. He acted before anyone else did, and his critics did the exact opposite which would only worsen the problem.
Yeah, Trump said China. Because that's the name of the country. You're arguing for saying the Tories instead of the UK. Nobody does that. Nobody does the same for whatever Russia has either. Frankly it baffles me how China is treated so differently. But let's be real, it's not. Not in anyone's day to day. This is only an issue because we're talking about Trump.
Red states were not nearly as affected as blue states in the end so yeah. It's all down to the state's discretion to listen to Fauci which again was the point I was making. If anything you're making a good argument for why you shouldn't leave all final decisions to the Federal government, which Trump controlled in case you forget. If you think Trump did a bad job now, imagine how much worse it would be if the states HAD to follow whatever he says. But that wasn't the case and the states acted however they thought they needed to even up to sending infected elders to nursing homes in New York.
The only thing Trump had any actual authority to do was with regards to things like invoking the Defense Production Act which he did. Anything further and you'd call him a fascist for mandating how the states should be run and violating the 10th amendment.
I love how you brought up Fauci by the way. He said that the country should reopen back in May. Democrats decided to ignore that. Fauci also said it's safe to vote in person as long as you wear a mask and maintain social distancing. Democrats decided to ignore that too and pushed for mail in voting. So should people listen to the guy, or should they not? Or should the matter depend on whether or not it's convenient?
His argument was that the California wildfires were arson and not the cause of climate change. There were already people spotted at the highways with multiple eyewitnesses at the scenes of the fire who clearly had no business being there. More importantly, this was also happening when all the riots were going on. Whether or not such circumstantial evidence amounted to anything, investigations did finally pin one of the fires as being the result of an accident during a baby gender reveal party so the claim that fires were caused by climate change is indeed bunk.
Sorry but I already said I find all the numbers dubious and not just China's (they were just a prime example) so I was never going to bother arguing anything further. Cool that you believe some of them. I don't.
And I don't blame him. Rule changes to accommodate mail in voting at the 11th hour. Extending the election past November 3 despite how elections are supposed to be called on the first Tuesday of November. Lack of custody security of the ballots making it difficult to know whether they're legit or not (mail in votes are NOT the same as absentee ballots which have a proper chain of custody). Some states saying they won't bother to check the post marks for late coming mail in ballots. Vote counts being higher than the number of registered voters in a county. Suspiciously large numbers for Biden suddenly turning up without a single one for any of the other candidates. Republican ballot watchers being denied entry into the counting areas to supervise. Dead voters casting in ballots (one of them would be 120 years old if he was still alive).
It's all shady as hell and at least warrants an investigation. Even a single impropriety should warrant an investigation even in a seemingly clean election.
If you're confident that there was no foul play then surely you wouldn't be against an investigation that will disprove these on an official capacity? Hell you might even find that Trump was cheating. Wouldn't that be grand.
escav said: His argument was that the California wildfires were arson and not the cause of climate change. There were already people spotted at the highways with multiple eyewitnesses at the scenes of the fire who clearly had no business being there. More importantly, this was also happening when all the riots were going on. Whether or not such circumstantial evidence amounted to anything, investigations did finally pin one of the fires as being the result of an accident during a baby gender reveal party so the claim that fires were caused by climate change is indeed bunk.
Not to be pedantic, but that wasn't what he said in that statement.
Climate change is causing extreme conditions, and besides, most of the forests in California are federal, not state, management and Trump vastly cut back work being done on them.
I still want to know how the hell a gender reveal party started a fire. Did they launch fireworks?
...and I don't blame him. Rule changes to accommodate mail in voting at the 11th hour. Extending the election past November 3 despite how elections are supposed to be called on the first Tuesday of November. Lack of custody security of the ballots making it difficult to know whether they're legit or not (mail in votes are NOT the same as absentee ballots which have a proper chain of custody). Some states saying they won't bother to check the post marks for late coming mail in ballots. Vote counts being higher than the number of registered voters in a county. Suspiciously large numbers for Biden suddenly turning up without a single one for any of the other candidates. Republican ballot watchers being denied entry into the counting areas to supervise. Dead voters casting in ballots (one of them would be 120 years old if he was still alive).
Philadelphia is old news, besides they livestreamed the counting and the court ruled they can approach closer. In of itself, I don't find it suspicious that a lot of mail-in votes are for Biden. Trump attacked mail-in ballots for months up until the election, and democrats are overwhelming more likely to use them.
This is not the first time that an election took longer than November 3rd, remember 2000?
Cool. You run out of toilet paper. Did someone died thanks to that? Did ANYONE in the rest of the world died thanks to that?
That's literally arguing semantics and doesn't address the key point. He acted before anyone else did, and his critics did the exact opposite which would only worsen the problem.
Yeah, Trump said China. Because that's the name of the country. You're arguing for saying the Tories instead of the UK. Nobody does that. Nobody does the same for whatever Russia has either. Frankly it baffles me how China is treated so differently. But let's be real, it's not. Not in anyone's day to day. This is only an issue because we're talking about Trump.
Most Covid cases in the US came from Europe. Preventing trips from China didn't do jackshit. That's like saying during a flood you shut one door to your house and leaving the other wide open, then congratulate yourself for being such a genius. At any rate, Trump stood by when Asian Americans suffered discrimination of his wordings. Because like Mexicans, he finds it easier to deny responsibility when he can make someone else the boogeyman. It's his goddamn calling card and the fact you don't see it baffles me.
Red states were not nearly as affected as blue states in the end so yeah.
Red states are rural areas where people are naturally more spread out, blue states are urban areas where people are concentrated. Again, I'm not American, YOU ARE, why does it have to be me telling you this?
And how is Florida and Texas doing right now VS how is California and New York doing right now, btw?
I love how you brought up Fauci by the way. He said that the country should reopen back in May. Democrats decided to ignore that. Fauci also said it's safe to vote in person as long as you wear a mask and maintain social distancing. Democrats decided to ignore that too and pushed for mail in voting. So should people listen to the guy, or should they not? Or should the matter depend on whether or not it's convenient?
And again I'm also saying I'm not a Democrat hack. Dems also did their job poorly, Trump just did it way, way, way, way worse. Even Fauci was able to admit he made mistakes. I have yet to see Trump admitting any mistakes for anything. Trumptards seem to think everything must be black and white. So what's your argument now?
His argument was that the California wildfires were arson and not the cause of climate change. There were already people spotted at the highways with multiple eyewitnesses at the scenes of the fire who clearly had no business being there. More importantly, this was also happening when all the riots were going on. Whether or not such circumstantial evidence amounted to anything, investigations did finally pin one of the fires as being the result of an accident during a baby gender reveal party so the claim that fires were caused by climate change is indeed bunk.
It was arson and climate change made the area more vulnerable to fire yet Trump wanted to argue about his stupid raking the forest bullshit which his scientists disagreed to his face, but he couldn't handle it and therefore said that stupid quote.
Or again, even if you put the Californian fire aside, what about the time he said inject disinfectant? Don't give me the crap that he was being sarcastic, because even if he is, do you really want your President to be joking around when tens of thousands of people already died at that point? What about the time he redrew a hurricane map with a sharpie just because he couldn't say "sorry I misspoke?"
Sorry but I already said I find all the numbers dubious and not just China's (they were just a prime example) so I was never going to bother arguing anything further. Cool that you believe some of them. I don't.
That's the issue with believing Trump. To buy into Trump's reality, you have to believe the rest of the world is lying to you. It's not just Biden, it's not just the Dems, it's not just China, but it's literally everyone else up to and including countries that has nothing to do with the US or even US's own tightest allies, as well as most of the US's own scientists who aren't hired by Trump. And you have to believe only Trump, Fox News and QAnon are telling the truth.
But to buy into anyone else's reality, you just have to believe that the only liars are Trump, the well known liar who can't show his SAT scores and tax returns for decades, regularly cheats on his wives, is known to hire criminals who are currently in jail, and was IMPEACHED for obstructing justice Fox News, the place constantly coddling Trump's ego and the place literally defending themselves in court that they are not "news" news channels but opinion shows merely for the sake of entertainment that no one should take seriously and QAnon, an inconsistent mess of a conspiracy that say Biden is a baby-eating satanist.
It's literally jumping through 50 fire hoops over piranha pits through hails of gunfire VS just walking through a tunnel the same way millions of others are walking. And all you get from jumping through those hoops are that you get to create a delusion that America is the best country on earth and everyone else is inferior. Which if that' the case I don't even know why you're on this site.
The difference is obvious. You ask us to back up our arguments, we can provide the source(whether or not you acknowledge it is another issue). You ask Trump to back up HIS arguments, he starts calling you nasty, that "so many people believe him", and that Obama and Biden are evil.
So yeah, proud American. Tell me how we, the rest of the world, benefits from lying to you VS how Trump benefited from lying to you?
If you're confident that there was no foul play then surely you wouldn't be against an investigation that will disprove these on an official capacity? Hell you might even find that Trump was cheating. Wouldn't that be grand.
Well did I say I am against an investigation? I'm not. Go on, do it. Especially not me I AM NOT AMERICAN.
Again this is the problem with Trumptards. You have to automatically presume that anyone who disagree is automatically 100% an enemy and is trying to hide something. We're not. Is it so hard for you to believe we, yes even non-Americans, want your country to do better? It was always Trump who tried to hide every little bit of slime he has. Do a terrible job even at that, rants on Twitter how ITS ALL A HOAX. And you Trumptards believe it because ironically, the words he pulled out of his ass is more credible than investigations.
Ironically it's the same tactics used by the CCP and even North Korea. You drum up false nationalism that your country is the best, that everywhere else is a shithole, so you ignore all the poverty and suffering happening within your own borders and spend all the times worshipping the dear leader.
I am not a Democrat, for the third time I'm not even American. All I see is that the US(and the majority of other countries) have systemic issues within the government that needs to be fixed regardless of parties. Trumptards want to sing that America is already perfect while their house is on fire and their family dying from the plague.
Saladofstones said: Remember how he tried to get the CDC to change its reports on the coronavirus through his political appointee before they blew up in his face?
The CDC belongs to the DHHS and the chief executive having some influence over the operations of the departments that belong to the Executive branch isn't an unrealistic consideration. It's naive to think the extremities of one of the branch's organizations, permenant or otherwise, doesn't have influence exerted over it by the yoke of that branch.
I still want to know how the hell a gender reveal party started a fire. Did they launch fireworks?
It was a faulty smoke machine or something from what I remember.
This is not the first time that an election took longer than November 3rd, remember 2000?
Yeah, Bush vs Gore went to the courts. The same is going to happen here. I don't remember though if the actual vote counting (not including the requested recount) had exceeded the first Tuesday of November that year. Sorry, I meant the vote counting and not the election in general. From what I remember, elections are finalized on December so they don't stop in November.
azurelorochi said: Cool. You run out of toilet paper. Did someone died thanks to that? Did ANYONE in the rest of the world died thanks to that?
You keep missing the point[1]. If there was a panic for toilet paper over fears of extended lockdowns then how much more for more essential things like food over fear of death. I find the toilet paper panic silly too but the fact that it's a thing that can demonstrably happen is enough to want it mitigated.
Most Covid cases in the US came from Europe. Preventing trips from China didn't do jackshit. That's like saying during a flood you shut one door to your house and leaving the other wide open, then congratulate yourself for being such a genius.
Well duh. Europe still had travel to China. He'd need to completely isolate the US if you were hoping to prevent the virus from getting in at all. And again you're missing the point[2]. He demonstrably took it seriously before anyone else did, be it the Democrat party, the Republican party or anyone in Europe.
Red states are rural areas where people are naturally more spread out, blue states are urban areas where people are concentrated. Again, I'm not American, YOU ARE, why does it have to be me telling you this?
And how is Florida and Texas doing right now VS how is California and New York doing right now, btw?
Which only further proves that the federal government should not be the one in charge of mandating what every state should do because it can't make a catch-all policy that will benefit both rural and urban areas. Which was my point that you are missing again[3]. The Federal government under Trump cannot be held responsible for what the state itself decides to do. Trump cannot be held responsible when Cuomo decides to gather up sick old people in nursing homes. You could blame Trump for that time he sent in less than the requested number of ventilators to New York as that's something that's actually within his control. Although it turned out that the state hadn't dipped into its own local reserves and didn't even use all of the ones it requested.
Florida is a swing state. Always has been. Texas has been getting the brunt of the California exodus for years with a large spike in the last few months after California announced harsher lockdowns (even people like Joe Rogan decided to move out because of that) which is why cities like Houston are blue.
I'm also starting to think now you aren't even reading my posts at all:
escav said: How can I believe any country including the US is reporting reliable numbers? Simply put, I can't. I'm not American either and I am completely certain that my country is under reporting. That makes percentage comparisons similarly dubious.
azurelorochi said: And again I'm also saying I'm not a Democrat hack. Dems also did their job poorly, Trump just did it way, way, way, way worse. Even Fauci was able to admit he made mistakes. I have yet to see Trump admitting any mistakes for anything. Trumptards seem to think everything must be black and white. So what's your argument now?
What's yours? My point was that you said Trump ignored his experts, well then so did the Democrats. The word of experts it seems are only useful when it's convenient.
Or again, even if you put the Californian fire aside, what about the time he said inject disinfectant? Don't give me the crap that he was being sarcastic, because even if he is, do you really want your President to be joking around when tens of thousands of people already died at that point? What about the time he redrew a hurricane map with a sharpie just because he couldn't say "sorry I misspoke?"
He never said to inject disinfectant. He was commenting on the previous lab reports that were brought up before he spoke talking about how quickly alcohol and disinfectants can kill the virus on surfaces. He said it would be good if you could get that effect into the body and asked someone to look into it. Same for the UV light thing which was an actual treatment in use before penicillin was discovered.
The sharpie thing was stupid, I can give you that.
That's the issue with believing Trump. To buy into Trump's reality, you have to believe the rest of the world is lying to you.
This is specific to covid numbers bruh. You're missing the point again[4]. Calm your TDS.
I am not a Democrat, for the third time I'm not even American.
Coincidentally, neither am I nor am I Republican. And frankly you keep either missing my point or moving the goalposts, and you devolve into insults. I don't actually believe you're arguing in any good faith whatsoever. Have a good day.
Nya-chan said: That's not dead, that's likely "date of birth unknown" and the system (probably based on Excel) defaulting to 01-01-1900
There were also suggestions that certain names could just be because of a senior/junior not being clarified (though that also requires them having the same birth month and retaining the same zip code). There were four names identified last I heard, and one of them was confirmed born in 1901 and another in March of 1902 which wouldn't align with a date default discrepancy. That's why an investigation is still needed so that all doubts can be cleared.
You keep missing the point[1]. If there was a panic for toilet paper over fears of extended lockdowns then how much more for more essential things like food over fear of death. I find the toilet paper panic silly too but the fact that it's a thing that can demonstrably happen is enough to want it mitigated.
Other countries didn't have that panic. I don't know about your country but mine certainly didn't. We still have plenty of toilet papers because people 1) have enough decency not to hoard. 2) stores mandate a limit of every items you can buy and people have enough decency to follow these rules.
Again if America has to be worried about that. Then the issue isn't the mandates, it's how immature and irresponsible your average Americans are. And Trump certainly did not help make anything better than to fan those flames.
Well duh. Europe still had travel to China. He'd need to completely isolate the US if you were hoping to prevent the virus from getting in at all. And again you're missing the point[2]. He demonstrably took it seriously before anyone else did, be it the Democrat party, the Republican party or anyone in Europe.
"Took it seriously early" doesn't mean jack if he doesn't take it seriously "after" as well. Going back to the flooded house analogy. If you waterproofed your house before the flood comes. Good. It still doesn't change how stupid it is if you chose to open the door AFTER the flood arrives and render your fortification moot.
Which only further proves that the federal government should not be the one in charge of mandating what every state should do because it can't make a catch-all policy that will benefit both rural and urban areas. Which was my point that you are missing again[3]. The Federal government under Trump cannot be held responsible for what the state itself decides to do. Trump cannot be held responsible when Cuomo decides to gather up sick old people in nursing homes.
Well, why did the Republican governors follow in Trump's messagings then? When blue states got hit hard and took time to recover, why didn't those Republican governors learn from their methods for the sake of their own citizens, instead of doubling down on Trump's messages? Is it not because they're licking Trump's asses? Is that not why suddenly they're now trying to distance themselves from him?
And yes, I speak this acknowledging that Dems also has a lot of asskissers. But again, whataboutism doesn't solve the problem.
Florida is a swing state. Always has been. Texas has been getting the brunt of the California exodus for years with a large spike in the last few months after California announced harsher lockdowns (even people like Joe Rogan decided to move out because of that) which is why cities like Houston are blue.
Red and blue in this case does not refer to the people but to the governor. You yourself can't just flipflop between blaming the people in charge and blaming the common civilians.
I'm also starting to think now you aren't even reading my posts at all:
Okay I skipped on that, wasn't reading straight. My bad.
What's yours? My point was that you said Trump ignored his experts, well then so did the Democrats. The word of experts it seems are only useful when it's convenient.
My point is again, both Republicans and Democrats suck and are ultimately out for themselves. Both are hypocritical, but let's look at the most basic of expert advice: wear a mask.
Did Democrats ignored that? Yes they did, then they later corrected their messaging and tell their people to wear mask. Trump continued to downplay and villify masks even when he himself is infected. The whole anti-masker movement was fanned by him and if he was against them, all he had to do was say the word. He didn't.
He never said to inject disinfectant. He was commenting on the previous lab reports that were brought up before he spoke talking about how quickly alcohol and disinfectants can kill the virus on surfaces. He said it would be good if you could get that effect into the body and asked someone to look into it.
Does it change the fact that his blind followers still interpreted as they should literally drink bleach? CDC certainly did get calls asking for that. And any officials should never make wild daydreams in front of live camera on national TV. If he was genuinely curious about that, he could have asked his doctors before they go live to keep the message clear. He didn't. My point is again, his messaging is vague and not based in truth, which is doubly bad when we are dealing with the irresponsible immature average Americans. That was my point. He is a stupid anti-science baby who cannot fathom his own incompetency. That was the whole point I brought up the sharpie thing and Californian wildfire. If he can't be trusted on those issues, how is he more trustworthy on covid?
This is specific to covid numbers bruh. You're missing the point again[4]. Calm your TDS.
And I am talking about covid numbers. The only way you can think Trump is remotely even acceptable is to believe that everyone else is lying and close your eyes. For Trump's statement to be true, you must believe literally every other countries are hiding tens of thousands of secret covid deaths.
Do I think India and Thailand underreported? Yes. But at the very least hospitals in Thailand are not ovverrun and there aren't a spike of deaths the same way the US has.
People are gathering in the tens of thousands to protest the government, but that's not causing spikes. Thailand's government certainly don't like having these protests against them so if there was indeed a spike in covid cases, they certainly would not hide the number. It'd be the #1 deterrent against protestors. Yet they didn't announce anything, so even if it is underreported, I would say at least this official numbers is 80% trustworthy. And again this goes right back to the fact that our distrusted government can still save their countrymen lives literally thousands of times better than Trump did.
Our government may also be corrupt, but they're not like Trump. They don't make easily-disproven claims that preys on the people's willful ignorance to even work.
That's my problem with you. If you're not a Trumptard, good. My previous insults are not aimed at you but at them, as per others who quoted you and say "this guy gets it".
Right now with mail-in votes being completely counted, Trump clearly lost. Not even Fox News can defend him anymore. Yet what is the orange baby himself doing? Whine that "he clearly won it fair and square".
Would you continue to defend him if in the next few weeks, his supporters come out to protest with guns and the guy continue to either remain silent or outright endorse them? That was the reason I brought up QAnon.
So here, my entire argument summarized: "Trump is a vile, immature human being who does not care for human lives and is not to be listened to. He isn't the fault of all evils, sure, but he sure contributed to much of it. Biden also sucks but at least he's still the far lesser evil."
Holy.... I love how this community is so much like the world outside. Only different is that there seem to be more people who wants to think for their ownself here.
If we had to divide them up based on their namesakes:
Iowa and SoDak go to Trump while Colorado goes to Biden.
Helena leans red, while Houston and Atlanta are heavily blue.
Fletcher's namesake was born in Oskaloosa, IA, so she would back Trump, while Johnston's and Sammy's were born in Cincinnati and San Francisco respectively, going to Biden.
Saratoga's and Gambier Bay's respective counties lean towards Trump. Since Hornet and Intrepid aren't named after locations, the only thing we could use are either their places of construction or current location. They were both built in Newport News, and Intrepid currently resides in New York, while Hornet's Essex-class namesake is in Alameda. So one way or another, they'd be for Biden.
So the final tally:
Trump 6: Iowa, SoDak, Helena, Fletcher, Saratoga, and Gambier Bay
The electorate decides who is president, not the media.
Don't be a pendant, unless the electorate decides to go against their districts, Biden secured enough votes to win the election. You didn't make this argument 4 years ago.
Don't be a pendant, unless the electorate decides to go against their districts, Biden secured enough votes to win the election. You didn't make this argument 4 years ago.
To be fair, the argument four years ago was 'The EC is stupid and we should get rid of it' since Clinton won the popular vote.
Don't be a pendant, unless the electorate decides to go against their districts, Biden secured enough votes to win the election. You didn't make this argument 4 years ago.
There wasn't this much cheating four years ago. There were doubts last time, but this time it's obvious.
There wasn't this much cheating four years ago. There were doubts last time, but this time it's obvious.
So obvious, that's why all of the administrations lawsuits so far have been thrown out once they have to provide real evidence, and even Trump's lawyers have to admit there's no clear fraud once they're in an actual courtroom and are accountable for actually telling the truth.
So obvious, that's why all of the administrations lawsuits so far have been thrown out once they have to provide real evidence, and even Trump's lawyers have to admit there's no clear fraud once they're in an actual courtroom and are accountable for actually telling the truth.
Oh, yeah, I don't get it, either. How could the President, the leader of the country, the man who has access to information we don't, who's supposed to lead us in times of crisis, keep us informed, and give us direction based on accurate and true information, not hold any responsibility for people who died because portions of the country didn't take the virus seriously because the President told them not to take any precautions against it. When he knew, possibly better than anyone, how much of a threat it really was.
...You do realize that Trump is, indeed, a President and not a Emperor, right? 10th Amendment disallows him to force states to comply with measures. Unless... He comes a dictator and forces the states to do what the federal government wants.
The last time that happened, we had a civil war. (I also don't know where you're getting the information that Trump "told 'them' not to take any precautions against it." Because it doesn't jive with facts. Trump shut down travel from China on January 31st 2020 while his political rivals were going through impeachment proceedings because he made a phone call. And while Nancy Pelosi was in Chinatown in San Francisco telling people everything was fine and to come out and how Trump was a xenophobic racist for shutting down travel from China. He also enacted a national emergency on COVID-19 on March 1st. "15 Days To Slow The Spread" (now well over 150) ring a bell? That started on March 16th. WELL BEFORE COVID-19 WAS GETTING BAD IN AMERICA. So, yes, if you ignore everything Trump did... I guess you're right. He didn't tell anyone to take precautions. Except all the times he did.)
Because they are entitled due to their own military complex, activism and patriotism, falling the "every countrys is america" meme. Not all americans are like this mind you, hell some of them had enough of politics. It's just the majority of them like here.
This is overt support for the Russian military by going along with it. Who cares if people comment about the war? Censoring comments about the war in game is allowing the Russian military to go unchallenged. Wow AL community! I love playing AL but this is atrocious.
Such a shame, Kronshtadt is actually "really" good.
People commenting things I don't all the time agree with (Kantai Collection) or inadvertently praising actions that support a totalitarian's war effort (Azur Lane)?
I love AL... but I know which one I'll pick, even though I can't play that region locked game.
PS. Moderators Banning me for this comment or deleting this comment or hiding this comment is supporting Russian disinformation. By doing so you are actively allowing Russian criticism to be blocked and suppressed, thus giving the Russian military to continue unchallenged in the face of the Ukrainian people's survival.