Yeah, but... did we actually LEARN anything? "The Northern Parliament has ulterior motives", "The AL world is a simulation", "the Commander is special", those are all things we already knew-- or could reasonably figure out-- before the event. It feels like we got no new answers, only new questions.
Main Story, as in the main campaign. Not, you know, another event story that somehow connects to the over-arching plot that, mind you, we still haven't gotten a proper understanding of its chronology or even what the fuck is going on and how all these event plot points are important parts of the main story.
Rinse and repeat, non-stop. At this point, is the main story even relevant anymore?
Yeah, I had an argument with someone on Twitter about this; I enjoy learning about the actual history and politics of the Azur Lane world(s), and it honestly feels like the overarching "simulation" story makes the rest of the lore useless and pointless. Why concentrate on a minor Royal Navy cargo delivery when we know the bad guys have destroyed the world before, and can do so again, and easily? Why try to fix the relationship between Iris and Vichya when you can just hack the simulation instead?
Main Story, as in the main campaign. Not, you know, another event story that somehow connects to the over-arching plot that, mind you, we still haven't gotten a proper understanding of its chronology or even what the fuck is going on and how all these event plot points are important parts of the main story.
The Main Campaign is just the America vs. Japan WW2 naval encounters. It's not going to be continued because there's nothing to continue. As it stands, the events are the main story, because the enemy are the Sirens and the main campaign maps don't feature them. As far as chronology is concerned, all events prior to Ashen Simulacrum can be presumed to be prior to the start of the game, as the Commander doesn't appear in any of them and they're all reenactments of real life events, Ashen Simulacrum is thus the first event to take place in real time and all major events following it are happening in order.
It's alleged that the story was actually rewritten from scratch early on, because Manjuu didn't actually have any concrete plans for it. They didn't expect the game to perform so well, and also may have discarded the Main Campaign plot to avoid upsetting the JP audience since it's just a retelling of Japan's WW2 defeats. This might explain why it feels unfocused in some places.
colBoh said:
Why concentrate on a minor Royal Navy cargo delivery when we know the bad guys have destroyed the world before, and can do so again, and easily? Why try to fix the relationship between Iris and Vichya when you can just hack the simulation instead?
Are you suggesting the characters, who don't know the world is a simulation, should be making decisions based on the fact it's a simulation despite not knowing it is one? How are they gonna hack the world, just take a laptop and plug it into a tree? It's also not even confirmed that the world is fake, or how the simulation is actually being run. The Sirens could just be time traveling, or dimension hopping.
The Main Campaign is just the America vs. Japan WW2 naval encounters. It's not going to be continued because there's nothing to continue. As it stands, the events are the main story, because the enemy are the Sirens and the main campaign maps don't feature them. As far as chronology is concerned, all events prior to Ashen Simulacrum can be presumed to be prior to the start of the game, as the Commander doesn't appear in any of them and they're all reenactments of real life events, Ashen Simulacrum is thus the first event to take place in real time and all major events following it are happening in order.
It's alleged that the story was actually rewritten from scratch early on, because Manjuu didn't actually have any concrete plans for it. They didn't expect the game to perform so well, and also may have discarded the Main Campaign plot to avoid upsetting the JP audience since it's just a retelling of Japan's WW2 defeats. This might explain why it feels unfocused in some places.
Are you suggesting the characters, who don't know the world is a simulation, should be making decisions based on the fact it's a simulation despite not knowing it is one? How are they gonna hack the world, just take a laptop and plug it into a tree? It's also not even confirmed that the world is fake, or how the simulation is actually being run. The Sirens could just be time traveling, or dimension hopping.
And therein lies the problem, because the main campaign is suppose to BE the main story while the events are usually relegated to side-story stuff that adds to the main plot while having its own story. If they want to tell a proper story then it'd be better if the events actually replace the main campaign rather than having them limited considering most people wouldn't be bothered following the event story while trying to farm.
In fact, what are you trying to add to the discussion? All you did was prove my point of how irrelevant the main campaign is while the events are far more important. Not to mention your last sentence in your reply to colBoh, you even admit that we have no proper confirmation on the plot hints that the events keep dropping while refraining from actually explain them at all.
And therein lies the problem, because the main campaign is suppose to BE the main story while the events are usually relegated to side-story stuff that adds to the main plot while having its own story. If they want to tell a proper story then it'd be better if the events actually replace the main campaign rather than having them limited considering most people wouldn't be bothered following the event story while trying to farm.
In fact, what are you trying to add to the discussion? All you did was prove my point of how irrelevant the main campaign is while the events are far more important. Not to mention your last sentence in your reply to colBoh, you even admit that we have no proper confirmation on the plot hints that the events keep dropping while refraining from actually explain them at all.
Good job taking two separate points and conflating them together? I was only explaining to you why the "Main Campaign" is never going to be continued(as far as cutscenes are concerned). I never said it wasn't pointless, nor did I set out to prove you wrong. I explained the present circumstances. Not everything is an argument. Sometimes people just share information that may or may not counter whatever it is you thought or said.
As for Colboh, I was asking him if he's seriously suggesting characters should make decisions based on information they don't have, as well as what he could possibly mean by "hacking the simulation" when so far we have no confirmation that the world exists in a way that would even allow that.
I dunno why you feel the need to be so antagonistic about this. You're kinda being a dick, tbh, over quite literally nothing.
Good job taking two separate points and conflating them together? I was only explaining to you why the "Main Campaign" is never going to be continued(as far as cutscenes are concerned). I never said it wasn't pointless, nor did I set out to prove you wrong. I explained the present circumstances. Not everything is an argument. Sometimes people just share information that may or may not counter whatever it is you thought or said.
As for Colboh, I was asking him if he's seriously suggesting characters should make decisions based on information they don't have, as well as what he could possibly mean by "hacking the simulation" when so far we have no confirmation that the world exists in a way that would even allow that.
I dunno why you feel the need to be so antagonistic about this. You're kinda being a dick, tbh, over quite literally nothing.
Frankly, I don't understand why you have to explain something that most people who follow the story already understood. Or even why you have share information in the discussion we were having, considering it serves no purpose other than just... being there, since I am pretty sure I was complaining BECAUSE of those facts you mentioned. Like, why are you sharing something that you admit to not be an argument... in the middle of an argument?
Also, I don't even know how I apparent conflated two separate points together? I didn't even say anything against your questioning of Colboh, I was using your last setence to prove my point because 'so far we have no confirmation that the world exists in a way that would even allow that.' is exactly why I am annoyed at AL's story, which IS relevant to my only point.
I am actually kinda offended by you. You said I am being antagonistic, when all I wanted to know was why you have to share redundant information that doesn't help the discussion whatsoever. If anything, YOU are the one being kinda a dick over this.
Am I just supposed to know it's redundant? What, am I psychic, now? I just know what you already know? You complained about the main campaign not being continued, I explained why that's not going to happen, like any normal person might think to do. You're the one being an ass that I chose to explain something that apparently everyone in the world already knows. If you already know the main campaign is a dead end why are you even complaining that it should be continued? By your own logic your own comments are equally redundant.
All I ever see you doing around here is arguing and picking fights with people. Chill out. Don't rudely ask people why they're trying to participate in a public discussion. If it bothers you so much, that seems like a you problem.
Am I just supposed to know it's redundant? What, am I psychic, now? I just know what you already know? You complained about the main campaign not being continued, I explained why that's not going to happen, like any normal person might think to do. You're the one being an ass that I chose to explain something that apparently everyone in the world already knows. If you already know the main campaign is a dead end why are you even complaining that it should be continued? By your own logic your own comments are equally redundant.
All I ever see you doing around here is arguing and picking fights with people. Chill out. Don't rudely ask people why they're trying to participate in a public discussion. If it bothers you so much, that seems like a you problem.
We've only talked like, twice. Not to mention before I met you, I never even 'argued' and 'picked fights' on this site. Honestly, whatever, I hate it when people like you try to take the moral high ground when you think you are in the right.
For the sake of closing this conversation, I'll just counter that I complained about why the main campaign isn't relevant anymore and that limited events took over that role without actually explaining any of their plot twists or plot drops. Furthermore, when I say redundant, I meant that the information you shared did not contribute in anyway to the topic, not that you should 'just know what I already know'.
I never even said that the main campaign was a dead end. Again, I only said that the main story wasn't relevant anymore. Besides, even if I was complaining about wanting Manjuu to continue the main campaign despite knowing it won't happen, am I not allowed to do so?
And honestly? Are you saying that I can't be offended by you insulting me? Harmless conversations apparently now means that I can't feel a certain way because I need to 'chill out'? Not to even mention that I never even insulted or said anything rude about you. Seriously, you talk like I am some kind of deviant that causes trouble despite you being the first one to assume I had some kind of malevolent intention.
Every conversation I have had with you, which only amounts to two by the way, and one comment I see you making, directly replying to the FGO Caster Artoria post, just makes me infuriated at your lack of tact and understanding so really, it's more of a 'blindVigil' problem that I have. But fine, it's whatever at this point. I'll just have to refrain from expressing my own opinion because a certain someone can't take it as something other than an attack towards themselves.
It was truly a displeasure interacting with someone like you.
Are you suggesting the characters, who don't know the world is a simulation, should be making decisions based on the fact it's a simulation despite not knowing it is one? How are they gonna hack the world, just take a laptop and plug it into a tree? It's also not even confirmed that the world is fake, or how the simulation is actually being run. The Sirens could just be time traveling, or dimension hopping.
From what I read, the Mirror sea events, (most of the Ironblood/french/italian/Japanese ones for example) are all simulations since they're replaying events that happened before The start of the game proper. The american and russian events seem to all be current time.