From a Biblical perspective, this is not only wrong, it is blasphemy. God never intended only men to be muscular and strong. Granted, when both genders get in shape, men tend to be a lot stronger and faster than women but, that doesn't mean God intended women to be wispy and frail. To encourage and glorify physical weakness in women is heresy.
Alright, I've got two objections to your comment: One, I don't think someone who is a Platinum member on a site with tons of hentai on it is in any position to be quoting the Bible or accusing things of being blasphemous (and don't try and say you're only here for the SFW stuff, we can all see your favorites). Two, I'm confused as to why you're getting on your soapbox about the glorification of weak women on a post where the female version of a character is depicted as the bigger and more muscular one. Isn't that the opposite of what you're getting mad about?
My guess is that he's one of those people who sees left-wingers going after their favorite trashy entertainment and immediately decides to side with the far right.
Maybe? But that still doesn't explain where the hell his rant about this image glorifying weak women came from. My only theory is that he also mistook regular Astolfo for a girl (which to be fair IS an easy mistake to make if you're unfamiliar with him), misinterpreted this image as two alternate versions of the same girl, and then got triggered that the "wispy and frail" version was even there rather than the artist just drawing the buff one.
Except the post they quoted clearly points out the genders of both astolfos and this person ignored it to evangelize like an asshole.
Alright, I've got two objections to your comment: One, I don't think someone who is a Platinum member on a site with tons of hentai on it is in any position to be quoting the Bible or accusing things of being blasphemous (and don't try and say you're only here for the SFW stuff, we can all see your favorites).
I have one objection about that part : attack the message, not the messenger, otherwise it makes it look like you have no argument. Don't start attacking people directly like we're on Twitter, you're better than that. Stick to his post, not his character. Thank you.
I got a better idea, don't bring religion into an argument.
That's a more sensible idea, but the problem is that morale and religion tend to be tied together. Because if you think about it, if you have to justify WHY something is bad or evil, you don't have a whole lot of options, so it's a natural tendency to look for arguments to support your moralistic point of view. And "religion" is a more solid argument than "because I say do". Through to be honest, I read the Bible a fair bit (and only the bible, none of the side fanfics), and I don't remember anything about women being frail and weak. There was something about Eve being under Adam's domination, but that kinda makes sense in complex since she's the one bearing kids, and she kinda fucked up by listening to Old Snake over there.
That's a more sensible idea, but the problem is that morale and religion tend to be tied together. Because if you think about it, if you have to justify WHY something is bad or evil, you don't have a whole lot of options, so it's a natural tendency to look for arguments to support your moralistic point of view. And "religion" is a more solid argument than "because I say do". Through to be honest, I read the Bible a fair bit (and only the bible, none of the side fanfics), and I don't remember anything about women being frail and weak. There was something about Eve being under Adam's domination, but that kinda makes sense in complex since she's the one bearing kids, and she kinda fucked up by listening to Old Snake over there.
1 Peter 3:7? Asthenestero skeuei, "weaker vessel".
Same asthenes ("weak", literally "without strength") used all over the place to describe weakness and physical frailty.
1 Peter 3:7? Asthenestero skeuei, "weaker vessel".
Same asthenes ("weak", literally "without strength") used all over the place to describe weakness and physical frailty.
Just checked, it refers to both women and "heirs". That means kids. And kids aren't meant to stay kids they entire life, so it's more of a passing frailty than a permanent one that defines their entire condition. Also, Astolfo is a man, so how are we even even debating women needing to be weak anyway?
Just checked, it refers to both women and "heirs". That means kids. And kids aren't meant to stay kids they entire life, so it's more of a passing frailty than a permanent one that defines their entire condition. Also, Astolfo is a man, so how are we even even debating women needing to be weak anyway?
Because no one read the other's comments. No one disagreed with anyone. Arguments are brought out of thin air and things got hostile for no reason.
Just checked, it refers to both women and "heirs". That means kids. And kids aren't meant to stay kids they entire life, so it's more of a passing frailty than a permanent one that defines their entire condition.
That's synkleronomois, "co-heirs". As in "husband and wife being joint heirs to.."
You can read a couple translations of "1 Peter 3:7" and they nearly all keep the distinction. Even for the more ambiguous wordings ("as heirs..."), the grammar still makes it clear that it's not "another heir".
FRien said:
Also, Astolfo is a man, so how are we even even debating women needing to be weak anyway?
Because someone threw a random non-sequitur about it being "blasphemy" to assume God "intended only men to be muscular and strong" out of nowhere and confusing everybody.
Have you guys stopped to consider that shinobivega could be just trolling? He's bringing the Bible on a Fate post. Fate, you know. The series where magicians (heresy) summon avatars (heresy) of heroes or pagan gods (heresy) to fight on their behalf. Besides, this is Astolfo: Fate's resident bussi boi (heresy). To go over all the BLATANT heretical stuff going on this series/character just to misrepresent actual biblical teachings is like something out of The Onion.
NNescio said: Because someone threw a random non-sequitur about it being "blasphemy" to assume God "intended only men to be muscular and strong" out of nowhere and confusing everybody.
Oh. Then that's my cue to bail out, this whole thing is dumb and I'm tapping out before it get really stupid. I still think that attacking the poster rather than the post is counter-productive.
That's a more sensible idea, but the problem is that morale and religion tend to be tied together. Because if you think about it, if you have to justify WHY something is bad or evil, you don't have a whole lot of options, so it's a natural tendency to look for arguments to support your moralistic point of view. And "religion" is a more solid argument than "because I say do". Through to be honest, I read the Bible a fair bit (and only the bible, none of the side fanfics), and I don't remember anything about women being frail and weak. There was something about Eve being under Adam's domination, but that kinda makes sense in complex since she's the one bearing kids, and she kinda fucked up by listening to Old Snake over there.
That part about Eve fucking up.
Both Adam and Eve done fucked up. If that hadn’t been the case, God would have never punished Adam along with the Serpent and Eve, He only would’ve punished the Serpent along with Eve. Furthermore, Adam was the one who received the ominous warning not to eat the Fruit Forbidden. Eve didn’t even exist at the time so, Adam had no justification for his disobedience no matter what lame excuses he sputtered to deflect the blame. Which, of course, he tried (and failed) to do.
