Didn't exactly get off scot-free though. That diagram at the top of the page brings to mind the Black Knight or something. I honestly feel she should look rather sterner and possibly have scars of some sort.
Also, Yukikaze is one of the Japanese ships with the most battle experience, asking the ship that spent much of the war warming the bench how many battles she was in. While sparkling with obvious hero worship.
Note: CV-4 (USS Ranger) is not present. She was in the Atlantic for most of the war and didn't fight in the Pacific. She got two battle stars for operations off North Africa and Norway. And survived the war.
USS Wasp (pictured) also had two stars, one for actions off Malta (European Theater) and another for Guadalcanal (Pacific Theater).
Anyone know if the devs have any plan to eventually include Allied ships (USN ships mostly) in the game? Would love to see the interaction when IJN and USN ships meet.
Anyone know if the devs have any plan to eventually include Allied ships (USN ships mostly) in the game? Would love to see the interaction when IJN and USN ships meet.
Put your hopes aside for that it will hurt you in the end.
On an interesting note, both Lexington and Saratoga in that picture seems to be the ones from that Chinese shipgirl game. The attire on Saratoga and their hats is a giveaway.
"Let's make sure history never forgets the name Enterprise" - Jean Luc Picard
The difference is that Americans were much less stingy with their medals, and also gave out service stars. Enterprise participated in a large majority of the campaigns in the Pacific (largely missing what few she did only because two campaigns were happening simultaniously, or she was in dock recovering from the last campaign...), gaining 20 service stars. On top of that,
Also, note that while Shoukaku is the "unlucky carrier" because she survived more damage than any other Japanese carrier, (compared to, say, Kaga's instant disabling of all damage control from the first random bomb to land,) Enterprise is the "Lucky E" because she survived the whole war. In fact, at one point, she was the only fleet carrier America had in the Pacific, and -discounting repairs and refits- the only fleet carrier, period, to serve the whole war in the Pacific. (Houshou not counting for being demoted to Light Carrier.) Being the only ship left that could do the job works wonders for your resume. She also received two other major awards, the Presidential Unit Citation and Navy Unit Commendation.
The Enterprise is also the only non-British ship to ever get the British Admiralty Pennant. You're doing something right when someone else's navy decorates your ship with their highest honor.
naoe_takakage said:
Anyone know if the devs have any plan to eventually include Allied ships (USN ships mostly) in the game? Would love to see the interaction when IJN and USN ships meet.
I've heard they want to do American ships last, after they've gone through all the Axis ships and the British/other allies.
As much as there needs to be "The Big E", however, "Lucky O" O'Bannon is the ship I'd most want to see. Suicidally aggressive, O'Bannon charged Hiei at Guadalcanal, getting so close she was underneath Hiei's gun range, and she was known to attempt to lead every charge in every formation she was a part of. She famously also attempted to ram a Japanese submarine, and wound up attacking it by throwing potatoes at it instead while it backed up to be able to sink the sub by guns, instead. In spite of this, and serving until 1970, not one of her crew members was ever injured in battle, and her only damage came from a ramming with one of her sisters. Even Yukikaze has a run for her money. I'd like to see her portrayed as some pigtailed fiery-haired Irish Catholic schoolgirl with a chipped tooth and bandaid on her nose constantly ready to beat someone to death with a potato.
Sara is in the back basically going: "Woooo I got medals and I lived" while Enterprise is "Yeah, I know. Seen worse parties. I got so much metal on my chest I look flat."
Maury is showing off though. "Hey Admiral! Take a look at these! I got more metals than you do! And I'm just a little Gridley-class destroyer! I can outrun that Shimakaze girl and launch more torpedoes! What is your excuse?"
Maury is showing off though. "Hey Admiral! Take a look at these! I got more metals than you do! And I'm just a little Gridley-class destroyer! I can outrun that Shimakaze girl and launch more torpedoes! What is your excuse?"
She also has Asashio-style suspenders and nearly Kamina-style shades.
Seika said:
"But do you ever see a piece of the sun dropped on your head and it goes "Boom!" ?"
Or is that another Saratoga ?
Nope, same one. Sara "survived World War 2" but got nuked right afterwards because she was obsolete and they already had way more Essex-classes than they needed, and the Navy already wanted to ditch all those for armored carriers that were already rolling off the production line.
Incidentally, she was, like Akagi, a treaty-remodeled battlecruiser, and notably was CV-THREE, and sister-ship "Lady Lex" Lexington (not to be confused with "Blue Ghost" Lexington) was CV-2. CV-1 was Langley, an old collier mainly made to test out the idea of aircraft carriers, and was only a seaplane tender that sank at the very start of American involvement in the war.
Considering how generally terribly conversion carriers did, that she survived is kind of amazing. She even took some real damage in the form of kamikazes and survived much more than converted battleship Kaga took.
Sara is in the back basically going: "Woooo I got medals and I lived" while Enterprise is "Yeah, I know. Seen worse parties. I got so much metal on my chest I look flat."
"But do you ever see a piece of the sun dropped on your head and it goes "Boom!" ?"
Anyone know if the devs have any plan to eventually include Allied ships (USN ships mostly) in the game? Would love to see the interaction when IJN and USN ships meet.
Back in an interview in 2013 Tanaka said he wanted to add American, English, German, and other foreign countries' (Italian and French since those 5 and Japan were the biggest navies of WW2) ships to the game. Germans and Italians are in now. This year in an interview he confirmed there would be plenty of oversea ships and auxiliary ships added during kancolle's third year, which we are on as of April 23rd so this year up to next year's April is your best bet for USN and RN to join too. Wouldn't be surprised if they went with RN before USN, though due to the USN being too hyped and OP.
And contrary to popular belief among a vocal minority that likes to overstate it, neither the devs nor the majority of the players are xenophobic anti-allies crazy japs.
EDIT: Important thing to note: Littorio didn't get renamed into Italia until after Italy switched sides to the allies so the first actual ally ship is already in the game when you remodel Littorio at level 35.
If battle stars are Bronze Stars (Or silver, the stripe widths aren't exactly helpful), I wonder how you'd treat the Presidential Unit Citation then.
Medal of honour because the President Unit Citation is the highest award for a unit I think it would be equivalent or in the same league as Medal of Honour
Put your hopes aside for that it will hurt you in the end.
On an interesting note, both Lexington and Saratoga in that picture seems to be the ones from that Chinese shipgirl game. The attire on Saratoga and their hats is a giveaway.
makes you wonder if the artist plays the clone game as well
Raigeki said: EDIT: Important thing to note: Littorio didn't get renamed into Italia until after Italy switched sides to the allies so the first actual ally ship is already in the game when you remodel Littorio at level 35.
Verniy had already been the first non-axis ship, though.
Is it Okay to welcome such a copycat-kancolle's fanart here?
You guys should know one thing, the fans and the producers of this copycat-kancolle are very very aggressive and shameless and greedy back in China. They are doing everything they could to prove that the copycat-kancolle is "prevailing" over kancolle:
Such as some lies like "The japanese otakus are trying hard to break into the great fire wall of China to play our own kanmusu game!" or "The shameless dirty kancolle japs are in fact copycatting from us!".
Or silly excuses like "You know how hard-working our artists are? You know how much data they've looked into to perfect their kan-musu design?" and "Yes we did do some copycatting, but we are more than copycatting, we have added so much things that the The shameless dirty kancolle japs never could imagine!".
And the most silly one of all their excuses is "Kancolle is a game made by shameless dirty jap warmongers, how could you prefer such a evil foreign shit to our homemade masterpiece!"
Moreover, this copycat-kancolle is converting their fans into net hooligans to "protect" this shit from being "humiliated by traitors who prefer kancolle to their homeland". So on the internet of China, almost whenever and wherever you want to criticize this shit, there will be a group of these hooligans coming up from nowhere and starting to use the cilches I list above. And of course, if you insist your criticism, more and more of those will show up and may begin to humiliate you from your educational background to your job and income or even your parents.
So it is very interesting to see, that in the forum(tieba) of Kancolle in China, no one dares to give out a word to show any negative attitude towards that copycat-kancolle. While in the forum(tieba) of that copycat-kancolle, you could easily find hundreds and thousands of scorn and humiliation to kancolle and kancolle-fans almost every day.
Therefore, I don't think it's a good idea to welcome the fanart of such a evil game here. Something personal maybe.
Is it Okay to welcome such a copycat-kancolle's fanart here?
It's fan art, who cares. It's not like anyone is going to act like that around here and while I do not like the Chinese ripoff or the way they act or care about it, I still enjoy looking at blue hair Fubuki.
Besides, if it's not Kancolle the Chinese would usually hate the Japanese for something else. Kancolle itself is a pretty sore object to use if you think about since WW2 and all, not to mention the entire game is more or less twisting history so the IJN would win if we consider the events, sorties and the enemies as allied ships/fight against the allies.
It wouldn't be right to purge a bunch of fan artwork just because the original source are from a game made by horrible people.
Therefore, I don't think it's a good idea to welcome the fanart of such a evil game here. Something personal maybe.
You know, I only vaguely remember that game as even existing, and can't really tell the difference between whether this game is using the Chinese characters or just some OC designs, which was what I was assuming at first, anyway.
None of the characters used here are KanColle rip-offs, and are all their own creation, and seem used simply because they don't exist as a canon KanColle character, yet.
For that matter, I remember there being several images from other clear Chinese rip-off games, like a Team Fortress 2 rip-off that had a soldier as a fireman.
But in all, I think it'd be best to remember that Danbooru takes a lot of art without artist permission, itself, and has a lot of people telling upset artists that they should be glad it's being redistributed without permission. We don't even actually delete the banned artist works, it just requires gold membership to see, which is used as a trick to keep artists who get their works "banned" from recognizing it wasn't taken down.
But in all, I think it'd be best to remember that Danbooru takes a lot of art without artist permission, itself, and has a lot of people telling upset artists that they should be glad it's being redistributed without permission. We don't even actually delete the banned artist works, it just requires gold membership to see, which is used as a trick to keep artists who get their works "banned" from recognizing it wasn't taken down.
Stones, glass houses, et all.
Well, when you put it like that it almost make us sound evil. Hmm...I'm cool with that.
You know, I only vaguely remember that game as even existing, and can't really tell the difference between whether this game is using the Chinese characters or just some OC designs, which was what I was assuming at first, anyway.
None of the characters used here are KanColle rip-offs, and are all their own creation, and seem used simply because they don't exist as a canon KanColle character, yet.
For that matter, I remember there being several images from other clear Chinese rip-off games, like a Team Fortress 2 rip-off that had a soldier as a fireman.
But in all, I think it'd be best to remember that Danbooru takes a lot of art without artist permission, itself, and has a lot of people telling upset artists that they should be glad it's being redistributed without permission. We don't even actually delete the banned artist works, it just requires gold membership to see, which is used as a trick to keep artists who get their works "banned" from recognizing it wasn't taken down.
Stones, glass houses, et all.
Oh I'm really sorry, after a second check it seems I got totally wrong. Then maybe this shouldn't be tagged zhan_jian_shao_nyu, as the US kan-musus have nothing to do with that ripoff kancolle.
If battle stars are Bronze Stars (Or silver, the stripe widths aren't exactly helpful), I wonder how you'd treat the Presidential Unit Citation then.
Battle stars are service stars added to campaign ribbons which are regional. The other awards are different ribbons/metals entirely.
Enterprise has a campaign ribbon for the Pacific Theater with 20 stars for the various operations she served in that campaign. She also have seven other metals, one with an additional device for service during the war before US entry into the conflict (1939-1941), and the honor of the British Admiralty Pennant. She is by far the most decorated ship in the US Navy to this day.
USS Wasp had two campaign ribbons. One for the European Theater and one for the Pacific theater, with one star for each. USS Ranger (no pictured) had two campaign ribbon for the European Theater and the Pacific Theater, but her two stars are only for her European Theater ribbon.
Most ships have more ribbons as well if they survived the war or took part in specific events, like liberating the Philippines.
There were 21 Presidential Unit Citations awarded to naval units during World War II. These included Torpedo 8 and Taffy 3 as units rather than just a single ship. Enterprise was the only fleet carrier to earn this award. Several escort carriers won it as did the light carrier USS Cabot.
9 Presidential unit citations. 10 Navy Unit Commendations. 13 Naval Expeditionary Medals.
= 32 Major awards.
It was a clandestine operations ship, so most of its work was (and still is) classified, however, so few people know about it.
She did things like recovering ICBM test launch missiles from the sea floor before the Russians could recover them, for the purpose of reverse-engineering how good Russian ICBM technology was, or tapping Soviet undersea communications lines. This obviously involved sailing into Soviet waters without letting anyone know it was there.
Huh. I knew I was forgetting somebody. Too bad she's a late-era submarine, so chances of her EVER getting into KC is a big absolute 0. ...But that's what Fan Created Content is for. *takes notes*
You know, I only vaguely remember that game as even existing, and can't really tell the difference between whether this game is using the Chinese characters or just some OC designs, which was what I was assuming at first, anyway.
None of the characters used here are KanColle rip-offs, and are all their own creation, and seem used simply because they don't exist as a canon KanColle character, yet.
Stones, glass houses, et all.
the only thing remotely similar is Akagi, who looks pretty much the same (in my experience at least, i do have some of the IJN ships that i do own in kancolle as well,and they look extremely different)
Than the Wikipedia article on Presidential Unit Citations need serious updating.
It does. That being said, Wikipedia isn't a very good place to go for military records. Too much in the way of opinionated editing. Of course, you get that anywhere, but...
It does. That being said, Wikipedia isn't a very good place to go for military records. Too much in the way of opinionated editing. Of course, you get that anywhere, but...
Do you happen to know any good place? I've always been on the search for a good site with some well detailed and military records but it's kind of hard, since I'm not to great when it comes to records and war related things. It's hard as hell trying to find a good site to research, especially when you don't know too much about it.
I could also use some a few places to research, especially for Vietnam.
These are all Essex-class Fleet Carriers, and all of them were awarded the Presidential Unit Citation during WW2.
And amusingly the text for the 5 citations are pretty much copy pasted with the names replaced. Someone must've been killing for ctrl keys on a typewriter back then.
Medal of honour because the President Unit Citation is the highest award for a unit I think it would be equivalent or in the same league as Medal of Honour
I wonder how ships whose Captains themselves won the Medal of Honor will be treated.
Daniel J. Callaghan of the USS San Francisco and Ernest Evans of the USS Johnston are the only two I know of.
Do you happen to know any good place? I've always been on the search for a good site with some well detailed and military records but it's kind of hard, since I'm not to great when it comes to records and war related things. It's hard as hell trying to find a good site to research, especially when you don't know too much about it.
I could also use some a few places to research, especially for Vietnam.
Unfortunately, no. I've just been burned enough by Wikipedia's lists to know they're usually wrong.
That being said, finding records for Navy ships (that are not destroyers) is relatively easy when compared to obscure Army or Airforce units. What I did was cross reference the Wiki for individual ships with NavSource. They tend to have some kind of mention of the ships' awards. After that I turn to google and see if there are any ship memorial sites for said ships, which will usually brag about the awards. Sailors tend to be of the more sentimental type when compared to the guys who actually have to beat the ground everywhere they go. ...Unless the ship was turned into a museum. Try finding any information on the USS Laffey (DD-724) that isn't in a book.
So, I actually spent about three hours looking for just that tiny bit of information. I once tried to find information about a unit from Vietnam... it's been three years and still nothing. Good luck on your hunt.
Unfortunately, no. I've just been burned enough by Wikipedia's lists to know they're usually wrong.
That being said, finding records for Navy ships (that are not destroyers) is relatively easy when compared to obscure Army or Airforce units. What I did was cross reference the Wiki for individual ships with NavSource. They tend to have some kind of mention of the ships' awards. After that I turn to google and see if there are any ship memorial sites for said ships, which will usually brag about the awards. Sailors tend to be of the more sentimental type when compared to the guys who actually have to beat the ground everywhere they go. ...Unless the ship was turned into a museum. Try finding any information on the USS Laffey (DD-724) that isn't in a book.
So, I actually spent about three hours looking for just that tiny bit of information. I once tried to find information about a unit from Vietnam... it's been three years and still nothing. Good luck on your hunt.
Well, better than nothing. At least I will be able to read up on some stuff. Thanks.
Also, Yukikaze is one of the Japanese ships with the most battle experience, asking the ship that spent much of the war warming the bench how many battles she was in. While sparkling with obvious hero worship.
Hell, Yukikaze was there at the only time where Yamato was in an actual battle, you know, the place where all the other ships were left screaming, "D***it Yamato, you had one job!"
I wonder how ships whose Captains themselves won the Medal of Honor will be treated.
Daniel J. Callaghan of the USS San Francisco and Ernest Evans of the USS Johnston are the only two I know of.
Daniel J. Callaghan wasn't a captain, he was a Rear Admiral in charge of a task force where the USS San Fransisco was his flag ship. Cassin Young was the Captain of the San Fransisco and died along with Rear Admiral Callaghan.
She proved the Yamato class to be a remarkable sponge for taking lots of hits, but then the USN learned to concentrate torps along one side from sinking her, and killed her sister even faster.