On Eye Colors

I have been thinking about going through all arima_senne images and improving their tagging, for example adding ahoge wherever that tag is evidently missing. (Note that her ahoge is not visible in all illustrations.)

With this plan, I am facing the following problem:

Now, had I seen post #190923 without knowing the character, I would no doubt have tagged it brown_eyes. Fortunately enough, I was aware of yomogis_red_eyed_megane.

That character definition as such is not a solution, however. I have seen illustrations where kirisame_marisa of touhou has green eyes (example: post #196824). We know that the character "really" has yellow eyes, but that would hardly be any reason to tag said images with yellow_eyes.

All right, you say, but in the example given above, Senne's eyes are red, even if brownish. Yes, and there are images where Marisa has orange eyes, varyingly tagged with orange_eyes or yellow_eyes. For example, post #494007 was tagged with yellow_eyes, until I -- for the better or for the worse -- changed it in accordance with the parent post, post #192609.

In short, deciding the correct color for tagging purposes is not always easy. Well, I could download all pics of Senne and analyze her varying eye colors with GIMP, but you know what? I am too lazy to do that much.

So please give me your two cents on what you would have done with Senne's beautiful red/brown eyes and Marisa's captivating yellow/orange eyes.

for example adding ahoge wherever that tag is evidently missing. (Note that her ahoge is not visible in all illustrations.)

Are you /supposed/ to tag for something that's not visible or visually implicated? o.O

chainedwind said:
Are you /supposed/ to tag for something that's not visible or visually implicated? o.O

No. You tag what you see, not what you know.

chainedwind said:
Are you /supposed/ to tag for something that's not visible or visually implicated? o.O

Ah, sorry for not being clear enough. I meant her ahoges must be tagged manually; there cannot be an automatic "arima_senne > ahoge" implication, because there are Senne pics without the feature.

EDIT: Dogenzaka, you are right. That is exactly why I cannot just "know" that Senne has red eyes.

Heh, arima_senne's been one of my favorite characters for a while. I've done quite some tag gardening for her myself.

Anyway, I think eye color, for the purpose of tagging, should simply be tagged with what color they look like in the image. Even if a character normally has one type of eye color -- but has a different, or even a slightly ambiguous eye color in another image -- what you see should probably take more precedence than what it's supposed to normally be.

Regarding your first example, post #190923, I'd just tag it brown, regardless of what that tag says. Because, again, tagging is used to describe the visual elements of an image.

With post #192609 (and that's a really nice pic, btw), it looks like her eyes are yellow, but have kind of a sheen to it because of the background - which also sorta make it look green-ish, too. Personally, I'd just tag it as only yellow.

And post #196824, imo, should be green, because that seems to be the dominant color.

Bapabooiee said:
Regarding your first example, post #190923, I'd just tag it brown

So you see it as brown, too? Good. I fear that the color used might be ambiguous to the level where, you know, people argue about whether turquoise is green or blue.

Katajanmarja said: So you see it as brown, too? Good. I fear that the color used might be ambiguous to the level where, you know, people argue about whether turquoise is green or blue.

It's because of the style used, the color is pretty unclear. It's... "brownish" because the black lines pretty much muddle any other color in it. In most of the rest of her images she's decidedly red eyed, however.

I wouldn't even bother tagging eye color on such an ambiguous post as that one, but doesn't much matter to me which is used.

I often put two colors on an image if the color is ambiguous, for example with yellow/orange, I usually just put both. Granted, this usually is more of an issue for me with hair than eyes, but the same principle applies.

jxh2154 said:
It's because of the style used, the color is pretty unclear. It's... "brownish" because the black lines pretty much muddle any other color in it. In most of the rest of her images she's decidedly red eyed, however.

Exactly. I might analyze that one, letting my graphics editor tell me what the brightest shade there between the lines is.

EDIT: The brightest shade in the lower parts of Senne's eyes is, by hexadecimal code, D18C8F. RGB percentages: red 82, green 55, blue 56. That one covers only a fraction of the area, though.

jxh2154 said:
I wouldn't even bother tagging eye color on such an ambiguous post as that one, (...).

Ah, so skipping is an option.

Obviously, I have skipped lots of ambiguous cases while learning "tag gardening" on my own. Here I thought you old heads would not have to. ^^