Requesting removal of the alias black and white > monochrome
reason : not all monochrome pictures are black and white i.e.: post #856737
Updated by jxh2154
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Requesting removal of the alias black and white > monochrome
reason : not all monochrome pictures are black and white i.e.: post #856737
Updated by jxh2154
black_&_white is used to tag images of characters wearing Black and White clothing, so I guess that is what the mistagging is about?
If it's used for characters wearing black and white clothing, then it still shouldn't be aliased to monochrome, right?
I was under the assumption that black_and_white referred to images in black and white, rather than the clothing.
i have my doubts with the black_&_white (ampersand) tag. as far as the direction of the alias goes forum #28617 seems to answer it (by jxh2154, unless there's a new policy that supersedes this).
the black_and_white (and) tag is used in image composition.
the "ampersand" version with 77~ entries said it's applied to clothing, background, wings, etc. this would mean it's a superset of the images of the "and" version with 71245~ entries.
i doubt if this capture-all tag would make tag management and organization any better. just voicing an opinion.
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Nials said:
reason : not all monochrome pictures are black and white
Which is why monochrome isn't aliased to black_and_white.
black_and_white is aliased to monochrome because an image consisting of only black and white is considered monochrome.
Though technically, it's still grayscale, so if anything, black_and_white should be aliased to grayscale, which then implies monochrome. This looks like the only colour separation that's been made under monochrome, likely due to its popularity.
high_contrast grayscale would then handle things like post #542348. (Currently high_contrast monochrome works for this, and fulfills its role of including non-black monochromes, which it would continue to do with this change)
black_&_white relates to the concept of the two colours being opposed to one another in an image, as through the clothing colours of two characters or similar, and has no aliases or implications. It could maybe be renamed "black_vs_white".
Overall, I don't really see the problem?
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Why is my post gone?
Also, no, it hasn't. It's aliased to monochrome which doesn't make any sense. It should've been implicated, instead.
We have greyscale, now, however, so that makes a simple fix.
The only problem is black & white. It doesn't make sense to have that tag when black and white exists as an alias for another. I suggested renaming that tag to black and white (theme) in my post.
SystemXS said:
black_&_white relates to the concept of the two colours being opposed to one another in an image, as through the clothing colours of two characters or similar, and has no aliases or implications.It could maybe be renamed "black_vs_white".
Was just about to suggest the same. "Vs" fits more with the tag's mention of opposition anyway.
Moved black_&_white to black_vs_white, former is now empty.
Removed black_and_white alias and made it imply monochrome.
jxh2154 said:
Removed black_and_white alias and made it imply monochrome.
Only except that doesn't make any sense, and encourages people to use the word loosely and wrongly. Something that is achromatic should not imply that it has any chroma...
If anything, the most logical implications concerning the palettes of each tag would go:
monochrome → greyscale
monochrome → black_and_white
greyscale → black_and_white (or ↔ if the meaning of black_and_white includes all shades and tints of gray; non-literal)
jxh2154 said:
Moved black_&_white to black_vs_white, former is now empty.Removed black_and_white alias and made it imply monochrome.
Wouldn't it be nicer to have it imply greyscale (which implies monochrome) than implying monochrome directly? I'd expect to find black_and_white posts with a greyscale search.
Or even alias black_and_white -> greyscale instead, as I suggested in my previous post? I don't really see its use when we have the more widely applicable high_contrast, assuming images are tagged correctly.
ShadowPhalanx said: If anything, the most logical implications concerning the palettes of each tag would go:
monochrome → greyscale
monochrome → black_and_white
greyscale → black_and_white
Why would monochrome imply black_and_white or greyscale? Monochrome here is not used only for black. Monochrome is the broader term here.
SystemXS said: Or even alias black_and_white -> greyscale instead, as I suggested in my previous post? I don't really see its use when we have the more widely applicable high_contrast, assuming images are tagged correctly.
We could do this, but I don't want to wipe black_and_white (again) without more discussion.
jxh2154 said:
Why would monochrome imply black_and_white or greyscale? Monochrome here is not used only for black. Monochrome is the broader term here.
But greyscale can imply monochrome. Maybe he just mixed up the direction.
I think I agree with the second part of SystemXS' forum #70334 post, i.e. alias black_and_white to greyscale and then implicate greyscale to monochrome.
found out today that we have an alias for 0 post (1 post before just now).
currently, the alias with zero post:
b&w -> black_and_white
the latter implies monochrome.
i would suggest:
remove alias b&w -> black_and_white
remove implication black_and_white -> monochrome
create alias b&w -> greyscale
create alias black_and_white -> greyscale
greyscale already implies monochrome though.