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Mass delete: gentoku?

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It seems like basically all of gentoku's pictures are traces of faces from official sources, combined with rather hackishly drawn (usually) naked bodies. Their anatomy leaves a lot to be desired, with particularly bad feet and hands. The fact the faces are traced is pretty obvious when you compare their quality to the rest of the pictures, and that they all have expressions matching those in official materials. post #1155280 is a perfect example of what I'm talking about, notice the horribly misshapen limbs.

Given that all of their pictures are derivatives, and artist's own input is of consistently mediocre at best, I motion for mass deletion of their work. Comments?

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I wouldn't say it's a particularly good artist, nor would I particularly care to defend art that's basically one step away from a nude filter. On the other hand though, not all of his work is terrible. For example post #862861 seems perfectly acceptable to me.

As far as I am aware, derivative works that aren't simple Photoshopped nude-filters aren't against the ToS or any criteria for upload. Also minor errors aren't typically sufficient to flag something for deletion (Taka Tony gets away with his two left feet most of the time). In this case, post #1184642 largely seems acceptable, though Toosaka's hand sort of bugs you once you see it. I'm not sure if that image should be acceptable or flag-worthy, but at least with a flag you can point out the issue and let people decide.

Basically I guess I'm saying rather than wield a blunt hammer and bash everything (an action that usually creates bad flack for being heavy-handed and deletes images that when considered on their own might be acceptable), it's better to flag things that deserve flags, explain the reason, and let the mod queue do its thing.

If we want users to provide detailed reasoning for requesting aliases and implications, a good-reasoned push I've seen a lot recently; it'd be hypocritical to not ask them to provide detailed reasoning for flags. As mods, we shouldn't be absolved from doing the same.

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Shinjidude said:
I wouldn't say it's a particularly good artist, nor would I particularly care to defend art that's basically one step away from a nude filter. On the other hand though, not all of his work is terrible. For example post #862861 seems perfectly acceptable to me.

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Basically I guess I'm saying rather than wield a blunt hammer and bash everything (an action that usually creates bad flack for being heavy-handed and deletes images that when considered on their own might be acceptable), it's better to flag things that deserve flags, explain the reason, and let the mod queue do its thing.

The thing is, everything the artist drew *themselves* is mediocre and full of errors, including hands on post #862861. Any tool can trace faces someone else drew, and we wouldn't admit these traces here. Similarly anyone can make bad doodles, and we wouldn't approve it either. Combining two bad things which don't pass our quality standards should not result in approval. And as far as I can tell, not a single picture we currently have under gentoku is free of what I describe, so they all should be flagged. Detailed reasons are a good thing, but in this case "all the artist does is trace + doodle" is the reason. post #862861 might not scream delete on first sight, because the traced face distracts you, but it becomes obvious it's basically a doodle once you know the author's "technique", and it makes inadmissible.

I can understand what you are saying. Although traces and anatomical errors are not against the ToS, they do make images unlikely to pass the mod queue. Regardless of how accurate the trace is, it shouldn't cause one to overlook poor image quality elsewhere. Also, as I said, I don't particularly care to defend this artist, so if no-one else has a problem with it, I won't argue against a mass deletion in this instance.

I do maintain that mass deletions in general should be used very sparingly and only after careful consideration and discussion on the forum. Since no one else has had anything else to say here, I suppose that has been taken care of.

Shinjidude said:
I do maintain that mass deletions in general should be used very sparingly and only after careful consideration and discussion on the forum.

And with that in mind, a good show of support for this is more important than a lack of disagreement. Do you really want a repeat of the rifyu incident, 葉月?

Last time we had a unilateral mass-deletion, we got a Category 5 shitstorm and Albert declaring the artist in question Danbooru-quality out of spite, essentially making it immune to deletion. Stick to the mod queue.

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Hillside_Moose said:
Last time we had a unilateral mass-deletion, we got a Category 5 shitstorm and Albert declaring the artist in question Danbooru-quality out of spite, essentially making it immune to deletion. Stick to the mod queue.

It's kinda funny because it was this same person who did it as well. (葉月) What with the Rifyu comics and what-not.

RaisingK said:

And with that in mind, a good show of support for this is more important than a lack of disagreement. Do you really want a repeat of the rifyu incident, 葉月?

I'd have pushed stronger if anyone else had put forth their support over the last week. My position is not that I'm for this artist, but more that I'm against nuking tags.

Looking at the artwork I can see no reason for a nuke, the artist may show a lack of basic anatomy at times but the overall image does fall within danbooru quality standards. Forgive me for over stepping my bounds but isn't this a case of you having a higher than thou opinion again. Keep in mind that mods/janitors who approved said images wouldn't have done so if they didn't think it met the quality standards of this site.

iori98 said:
Looking at the artwork I can see no reason for a nuke, the artist may show a lack of basic anatomy at times but the overall image does fall within danbooru quality standards.

The lack of basic anatomy alone would disqualify them as meeting Danbooru standards. There's an awful lot of bad hands, misshapen breasts, poorly drawn legs, and various other general quality issues. The only reason they may even appear acceptable at first glance is the traced heads.

That said, not all of them are bad. Maybe he had a particularly good day for some, or some have his usual problem areas hidden from view. (Legs, mostly.) I'm gonna echo the sentiment that they should just be flagged instead, with something like "poorly drawn X + traced head" as the reason.

Just to make it clear what my original intent was, I consider mass flagging to be a kind of mass deletion as well, and thus should be subject to discussion. The specific mode of deletion can very well be determined by the discussion, but it needs to be discussed.

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