BUR #4098 has been rejected.
create implication bird_tail -> tail
Both times this was rejected (topic #14413 and topic #15013) it was because of the request timing out on its own, without discussion.
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BUR #4098 has been rejected.
create implication bird_tail -> tail
Both times this was rejected (topic #14413 and topic #15013) it was because of the request timing out on its own, without discussion.
They're visually and frankly structurally different from other tails, so I don't really agree with this implication. Frankly some of the posts are literally just feather's sticking out of their back (post #3748446) which means they don't actually have the tail end of a bird as a part of their body.
We also have tail feathers which I don't know how it's different from bird tail.
I wouldn't create the suggested implication as i don't think anyone here really considers bunch of feathers sticking out of [insert character]'s ass as a tail when compared to something that is ''proper'' tail like a cat tail.
Instead i would rather alias bird tail to tail feathers as i believe tail feathers is better at describing the trait, unless it is supposed to be tag for feathers that are on the tip of the tail and/or somewhere else on it like fe. in post #2194438.
However judging by the posts with the tag, its either terribly misused or not the intended purpose. Then again going by the first posts with the tag, id assume the latter.
Not doing this means we can't use any tail-related tags like tail ornament or tail grab for bird tails. Also note that bird ears implies animal ears, which suggests that bird tails should count as animal tails too.
As far as "they're different from 'normal' tails", well, things like bunny tails or fish tails aren't very similar to cat tails either. Tail has 300k posts versus 2k for bird tail, so in terms of tag dilution I don't think it will make much difference.
evazion said:
As far as "they're different from 'normal' tails", well, things like bunny tails or fish tails aren't very similar to cat tails either. Tail has 300k posts versus 2k for bird tail, so in terms of tag dilution I don't think it will make much difference.
That's my opinion as well, I don't think there's significant difference in terms of tagging, they're appendages above the ass of a character and they're going to be tagged as tails regardless. Half the posts under bird_tail already have tail tagged anyway.
The bird ears tag is a bad example, because the tag almost exclusively exists for Mystia Lorelei who possesses ears that are much more in-line with normal animal ears with just a slight feathery appearance. Much of what is left in the tag beyond her are of images that are mistags that should have been tagged head_wings. Of note, fish ears is aliased to head_fins and it does not implicate animal_ears.
We probably should remove the tail implications from tail ornament and tail grab, because the tail tag is not to be used with mermaid or mermaid-like characters for their tail-ends, but I think it would still be appropriate to refer to ornaments there as tail ornament or grabbing them there as a tail grab (post #1644080). The wiki for tail specifically defines it as coming out of the lower back area, and fish tail tag likewise is defined as such to avoid covering mermaids.
The bunny tail tag is honestly an odd case because what it's used for isn't a for a real rabbit tail to begin with but a fictional stylized depiction of a cottontail's tail and as such doesn't actual look like the real thing to begin with. They'd probably be closer to deer tail if someone actually tried to draw them. If such posts exist, I'd argue they should have their own tag (even if it is just a subset of bunny_tail).
NWF_Renim said:
The bunny tail tag is honestly an odd case because what it's used for isn't a for a real rabbit tail to begin with but a fictional stylized depiction of a cottontail's tail and as such doesn't actual look like the real thing to begin with.
Now that you meantioned that, it reminds me of how the bunny ears is extremely diluted with the playboy bunny hairbands with no tag of it's own and with basically no easy way to filter them from the real bunny ears.
Even though off-topic, id strongly propose to do something about this akin to how the bunny people/bunnysuit/playboy bunny -case was dealt with.
Tomzai said:
Now that you meantioned that, it reminds me of how the bunny ears is extremely diluted with the playboy bunny hairbands with no tag of it's own and with basically no easy way to filter them from the real bunny ears.
You mean like the tag fake animal ears?
Unbreakable said:
You mean like the tag fake animal ears?
No, it's just a supplementary tag.
Posts with fake animal ears still get tagged with bunny ears, additionally not all posts that should be tagged with it are tagged to considerable degree.
I think it would be much clearer and straightforward to have playboy bunny ears as a tag since playboy bunny and playboy bunny leotard exists.
Tomzai said:
Posts with fake animal ears still get tagged with bunny ears
As they should, they are supposed to be used together, it's even in the bunny ears wiki.
Tomzai said:
No, it's just a supplementary tag.
Posts with fake animal ears still get tagged with bunny ears, additionally not all posts that should be tagged with it are tagged to considerable degree.
I think it would be much clearer and straightforward to have playboy bunny ears as a tag since playboy bunny and playboy bunny leotard exists.
Bunny_ears hairband is not a concept exclusive to playboy bunnies, even if they do make up the majority of the post count. Making playboy bunny ears would exclude non-playboy bunnies with fake bunny ears, and wouldn't solve the problem of fake animal ears sharing the tag with real animal ears. There's not really anything special about the hairbands playboy bunnies wear in the first place, so making a tag specifically for them doesn't make much sense.
You can still filter them with bunny_ears -fake_animal_ears. It's not perfect, especially for member level users, but it's still a way to separate real animal ears from fake ones when searching. Overlap of the two beyond this is mostly an issue of fake animal ears not being applied when it should be.
Unbreakable said:
As they should, they are supposed to be used together, it's even in the bunny ears wiki.
That is what i was implying.
blindVigil said:
Bunny_ears hairband is not a concept exclusive to playboy bunnies, even if they do make up the majority of the post count. Making playboy bunny ears would exclude non-playboy bunnies with fake bunny ears, and wouldn't solve the problem of fake animal ears sharing the tag with real animal ears. There's not really anything special about the hairbands playboy bunnies wear in the first place, so making a tag specifically for them doesn't make much sense.
Neither is the playboy bunny leotard -style leotard necessarily exclusive to playboy bunnies yet it is tagged like so.
playboy bunny ears would be for sake of clarity if nothing else because the existence of beforementioned playboy bunny leotard as it would likely push those tagging it as well when needed when it shows up in the autofill feed.
Then again bunny ears hairband and fake animal ears hairband would serve the same purpose as well.
Tomzai said:
That is what i was implying.
Neither is the playboy bunny leotard -style leotard necessarily exclusive to playboy bunnies yet it is tagged like so.
playboy bunny ears would be for sake of clarity if nothing else because the existence of beforementioned playboy bunny leotard as it would likely push those tagging it as well when needed when it shows up in the autofill feed.Then again bunny ears hairband and fake animal ears hairband would serve the same purpose as well.
That's wrong. Playboy bunny leotard is for the entire playboy bunny outfit, not specifically the leotard. This includes high heels, wrist cuffs, detached collar, ect. It's supposed to be for posts featuring the playboy bunny outfit but without the bunny ears. The existence of playboy bunny leotard doesn't in any way support the creation of playboy bunny ears.
The tag only exists as a workaround to a constrictive set of rules as pointed out in topic #17177, and as a way to tag the outfit without having to create a separate tag every time someone drew the outfit but used a different set of animal ears. I was pretty sure from my memory we had decided to nuke/rename it, but apparently not.
At any rate, this isn't really relevant to bird tails and whether or not they qualify as tails. topic #17177 is a better place if you want to debate the merits of something like bunny ears hairband
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I don't see how bird tail is different from other tail tags.
Is it that they aren't mammals? But we stuff like crocodilian tail.
They are meant to represent an animal the character is based off, be it a bunny, owl or alligator.
(And biologically speaking, every cordata has a "post-anal tail" and birds are in that group)
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