Halo imply mess

BUR #12800 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

create implication compass_rose_halo -> halo
create implication double_halo -> halo
create implication drawn_halo -> halo
create implication flaming_halo -> halo
create implication fake_halo -> halo
create implication mechanical_halo -> halo
create implication melting_halo -> halo
create implication liquid_halo -> halo
create implication halo_removed -> halo
create implication holding_halo -> halo

I think the tag section regarding halos is a bit in need of revision.

Currently only broken_halo, dark_halo and star_halo imply the halo tag.
However, we also have available:

[type]
compass_rose_halo
double_halo
drawn_halo
flaming_halo
fake_halo
mechanical_halo
melting_halo
liquid_halo

[action/position]
halo_removed
holding_halo

These are all types and/or actions of/regarding "halo", the fact that they are tagged should imply that the halo tag is also present.
What do you think?

Aside from the fact that compass rose halo is an overly specific tag that seems to only exist because of jack-o' valentine, I also see that halo removed is often confused with no halo and needs someone to fix the few mistags.

nonamethanks said:

Aside from the fact that compass rose halo is an overly specific tag that seems to only exist because of jack-o' valentine, I also see that halo removed is often confused with no halo and needs someone to fix the few mistags.

I agree that it is a very specific tag, however, it has several pages and I don't think it's the only case of a tag linked to one single character. But up to you see how to deal with that.

In the meantime I went over all the images in both no_halo and halo_removed and fixed all the (few) errors I found, I hope.
I added no_halo to the halo wiki, since it was missing, and added specifics to the no_halo and halo_removed wikis, hoping to make them clearer.

While we're at it, with blue archive there has been a huge influx of characters with uncommon halo shapes (post #5481481, post #4424368). Would making an uncommon halo tag be a good idea, in order to filter "classic" angel halos? Or would it better to tackle it the other way around, with something like simple halo?

Username_Hidden said:

While we're at it, with blue archive there has been a huge influx of characters with uncommon halo shapes (post #5481481, post #4424368). Would making an uncommon halo tag be a good idea, in order to filter "classic" angel halos? Or would it better to tackle it the other way around, with something like simple halo?

To filter classic angel halos I think the simple halo tag is a good idea, where for classic I imagine the round gold/white halos (?)

The uncommon halo tag would solve the compass rose halo issue, however in the end flaming, liquid, mechanical, melting would theoretically fall within this definition.
It would make it easier to tag halos, but make them less filterable (unless you keep the other tags as well, but that's probably worse).
Curious about other opinions.

simple halo isn't a particularly intuitive tag name. If you want a tag for specifically angel halos then that tag should be angel halo.

Another suggestion would be something like classic halo.

Imho, maybe classic halo is better?
angel halo could be confused as "the halo of an angel" (i.e. to be tagged only if the pg is an angel).
While classic_halo is fine to define "classic angel halo" even on characters who are not angels.
The only problem, is how to precisely (and intuitively) define such halos, duh.

Example:
Would you call the normal/offical halos of exusiai_(arknights) and ninomae_ina'nis (random pick) "classic"?
In religious iconography, halos are sometimes gold circles, sometimes light rays (always concentric) and sometimes solid circles.

This for example looks very canonical to me, although it's white: post #5750855

Performing the search halo -angel I noticed that a good part of the characters have non-canonical halos...
So, does it really make sense to have a tag that identifies halos that usually stand on the heads of angels? (findable with angel).
Perhaps an uncommon halo or complex shape halo (absolutely provisional name) tag would be better to identify all halos that are not "simple gold/white circles".
So with the halo -angel search, adding the tag above would get all the pgs who are not angels, who have a halo and who have either a round halo (-complex) or who have a halo of any other shape (+complex).
And compass rose halo could end up inside such a group.
This is probably the least complex thing, but you see.
My brain is starting to melt.

TheScorpion said:

Imho, maybe classic halo is better?
angel halo could be confused as "the halo of an angel" (i.e. to be tagged only if the pg is an angel).

Yeah I can definitely see people tagging Kanata's star halo as angel halo just because she's canonically an angel

Why make things complicated?
These are just halos.

What about traditional halo for the simple rings of light (or sometimes solid gold) and unconventional halo for anything else? Also thoughts on a tag for halos made of solid materials vs light or other non-solid materials?

Provence said:

Why make things complicated?
These are just halos.

Yeah, exactly.
However, there are already specific halos tags, which are perhaps too much...

blindVigil said:

What about traditional halo for the simple rings of light (or sometimes solid gold) and unconventional halo for anything else?

Well, it's the same idea above, just with different names.
"Traditional" would identify the "classic" halos, while "unconventional" all the others.

blindVigil said:

thoughts on a tag for halos made of solid materials vs light or other non-solid materials?

I think it would be far too complex.
In some drawings the distinction is blurred and I think there would be a lot of confusion.

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Checking other tags a bit specifically, I saw that, for example, melting and liquid often overlap.
There are several images within melting that would also fall under liquid... perhaps the two are a bit redundant (or used incorrectly).

nonamethanks said:

Aside from the fact that compass rose halo is an overly specific tag that seems to only exist because of jack-o' valentine, I also see that halo removed is often confused with no halo and needs someone to fix the few mistags.

Jibril too, I think!

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I'd just do 'halo' and 'unconventional halo' or 'nontraditional halo'

Also maybe a tag for glowing or not-glowing halos depending

I think a few tags are justified.

• compass rose halo can probably go and get merged with unconventional halo.
• double halo makes sense.
• drawn halo could be an interesting tag, but it's very specific. Maybe merge it with some "drawn X" tag?
• flaming halo makes sense.
• fake halo makes sense, goes along with the other fake tags.
• melting halo and liquid halo have a very slight but significant difference between them. One is a standard halo dripping, while the other is a halo made of liquid. The existence of both makes sense to me.

Mechanical Halo is an odd one. I think it should be kept, but there is no standard. It goes from halos made of precious metal, to clockwork halos, to a subset of fake halo like post #4307505.
I think halos such as Noa's or Executor's should be eligible for the tag, and ones like Paimon's should not. It could be reserved for either halos generated by a device or that clearly look like a device.

Username_Hidden said:

Mechanical Halo is an odd one. I think it should be kept, but there is no standard. It goes from halos made of precious metal, to clockwork halos, to a subset of fake halo like post #4307505.
I think halos such as Noa's or Executor's should be eligible for the tag, and ones like Paimon's should not. It could be reserved for either halos generated by a device or that clearly look like a device.

This was something that had been bothering me, too. Nothing about Paimon's halo looks mechanical, and taking a look at tag history, the tag association is exclusively the work of one uploader. I agree that it should actually look mechanical to be described as a mechanical halo.

blindVigil said:

This was something that had been bothering me, too. Nothing about Paimon's halo looks mechanical, and taking a look at tag history, the tag association is exclusively the work of one uploader. I agree that it should actually look mechanical to be described as a mechanical halo.

I assume it's being tagged mechanical because it looks like it's made of hard metal, and there's no better way to tag it.

Username_Hidden said:

• melting halo and liquid halo have a very slight but significant difference between them. One is a standard halo dripping, while the other is a halo made of liquid. The existence of both makes sense to me.

While I do agree that both deserve to be kept, I think we need a bit more specifications on what exactly makes them different? Well, 70% of liquid halo are also melting, and if one sees an melting halo, high chance that they’d also tag it liquid halo.

The bulk update request #12800 (forum #224148) has been approved by @nonamethanks.

BUR #13158 has been rejected.

create alias melting_halo -> liquid_halo

I think this distinction is unnecessary. Putting it up for a vote.

I'm the one who made the wiki for melting halo. I'll try to explain why the distinction isn't as unnecessary as you may think.

1. The melting halo is usually made of light. Look at post #5660924, post #5623664, post #4701586, and post #5027850. They're only melting at a certain point, but are otherwise solid. I've recognized that the melting halo is used to represent fallen angels frequently, but are otherwise used for aesthetics. Some are even used to show a light blur, if that makes any sense.

2. The liquid halo is meant to show halos that are "wavy" at all points and are very obviously made of... well, liquid. Examples include post #5517182 (blood), post #5170069 (water), and post #5179591 (again, water). These ones are very obviously made to look like liquid and not just be light that is melting at a point.

If anything, maybe liquid halo can be an alias for melting halo? The tag name is what made me want to split it in the first place. Many of the halos couldn't fit under liquid halo as they weren't made of liquid, so it looked like mistagging.

My thought was that liquid halo could be for pictures that are very obviously made of liquids (as in the entire halo), while melting halo could be for halos that are "melting" at only certain points and are otherwise solid.