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Minacle said:
How can i get posts count using new API?
You mean the number of posts returned by a certain search, correct?
There's no way to do that right now. It will hopefully be added soon; track progress with issue #590.
Toks said:
Quick poll: Does anyone else prefer the related tags to be ordered from most relevant to least relevant instead of alphabetically like they are now?
I do.
A bit of offtopic: nothing helps tagging as much as properly built character wiki, mentioning all its canon/commonly used traits and clothes. I've only seen a very few so far. Tagging clothes, being a non-native speaker, is awfully slow, as I often don't even know how the hell is that called in Russian, much less so in English (not to mention there is often no equivalent at all). Maybe it would be reasonable to introduce some kind of wiki template for characters? Some kind of non-mandatory inter-tag relationship might be better (like, if <character> belongs to <copyright> then <copyright> suggests <character> when searching for related), but it's much harder to implement and control.
Type-kun said:
A bit of offtopic: nothing helps tagging as much as properly built character wiki, mentioning all its canon/commonly used traits and clothes. I've only seen a very few so far. Tagging clothes, being a non-native speaker, is awfully slow, as I often don't even know how the hell is that called in Russian, much less so in English (not to mention there is often no equivalent at all).
Even though I'm a native English speaker, tagging concepts that have very specific tags such as types of clothes can be difficult for me without looking at the wikis and the posts tagged with them. So having a quick reference on the character's wiki is indeed very helpful.
Type-kun said:
Maybe it would be reasonable to introduce some kind of wiki template for characters?
This is a good idea. We should modify template:character to say that descriptions linking to all tags that are commonly used with the character are encouraged.
Type-kun said:
Some kind of non-mandatory inter-tag relationship might be better (like, if <character> belongs to <copyright> then <copyright> suggests <character> when searching for related), but it's much harder to implement and control.
I think it would be enough to simply link to all characters that belong to a copyright on the copyright's wiki, similar to descriptive tags on character wikis. It wouldn't work well if the copyright has more than 25 characters, but it should be enough for most cases.
I don't quite get what Type-kun is going about. You mean you want to create a section within different characters' wikis that would list the typical clothes or features? If I got you right, that is close to impossible. Just how many characters are there? I often don't know the Russian word either, but I use different dictionaries and browse through both Russian and English words until it matches the actual existing tag, but it doesn't usually take a lot of time except some rare gear or gadgets or other rare things. I really don't think this idea is worth the effort - again, if I got what you mean correctly.
MagicalAsparagus said:
I don't quite get what Type-kun is going about. You mean you want to create a section within different characters' wikis that would list the typical clothes or features? If I got you right, that is close to impossible.
Why would this be impossible? The miki sayaka wiki already does it, for example, and so do quite a few other character wikis. We just need more of them to be that descriptive. Of course, it takes some time to write these, but it shouldn't be much more difficult than writing an average character wiki.
Dunno. Still sounds like a fool's errand to me. There are just lots of popular characters and well, I looked at this sayaka wiki and found nothing new or worth attention. These tags are quite well-known and easy to guess even if you are not a native speaker, but a frequent tagger. I think that more complicated matters and problems should be regarded separately in threads. But if somebody wants to go through all the work of editing the wikis - well, great, yeah, but really unnecessary.
MagicalAsparagus said:
I don't quite get what Type-kun is going about. You mean you want to create a section within different characters' wikis that would list the typical clothes or features? If I got you right, that is close to impossible. Just how many characters are there? I often don't know the Russian word either, but I use different dictionaries and browse through both Russian and English words until it matches the actual existing tag, but it doesn't usually take a lot of time except some rare gear or gadgets or other rare things. I really don't think this idea is worth the effort - again, if I got what you mean correctly.
Oh, so you WERE Russian after all. Well, your former nickname was a dead giveaway :3
Yep, you got me correctly: separate sections for clothes and traits associated with the character. It's actually not that hard, especially with crowd power (this is how danbooru works anyway): there are only 14 pages of character tags with count over 1000.
The main purpose is enhancing "related tags" button capabilities, as all tags linked from wiki are shown when you press it: you spend less time to figure how are character clothes called and you have less chances to miss some tag. Separate thread solution is bound to be slow, alas.
Heh. That's why I changed it. It was too gay.
Well yeah, I didn't think about related tags. But then we have to somehow alias these tags to a character so they would appear in the related tag section.
Why does this idea appeal to you more then my umbrella creation tag suggestion(
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MagicalAsparagus said:
But then we have to somehow alias these tags to a character so they would appear in the related tag section.
Um, that's the point. If a tag is linked at character wiki, it will appear at related tags, that's already implemented. Try pressing related tags on the same miki_sayaka example: it'll show all tags linked in wiki under "wiki: miki sayaka" column.
Ah, I see. Just didn't get how it works at first. Well yeah, now I see some sense in it. Maybe I'll even try editing some wikis..
Then a bit of offtopic from me as well. Did anyone ever try checking out all the gentags that we have? Once I started browsing the listing somewhere around tags that have 5 or 6 posts I found some really interesting tags that should be more spread, or some frequent typos and misunderstanding of tags.
I've mentioned this before, and got the annoying reply of:
1. Everyone will tags variations wrongly because they didn't think
2. Less thought will be put into tagging
3. Anyway there are lots of cases where things are too vague to say without seeing the artist's interpretation
When the answer is simple enough:
1. List all the common variations in the wiki
2. Tags that are a little wrong are much better than no tags at all
3. The ratio of [poorly tagged images where the uploader was stumped and gave up] to [wrongly tagged images because the uploader went with the wiki for lack of any better idea] doesn't beg for comparison
4. Comments are for asking for help about these, but people don't, comments go ignored, and typing is much more effort than glancing at the wiki tags (if there's still a column at the bottom for tags appearing in the wiki)
Edit: Knew it was around somewhere forum #7800
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MagicalAsparagus said:
Then a bit of offtopic from me as well. Did anyone ever try checking out all the gentags that we have? Once I started browsing the listing somewhere around tags that have 5 or 6 posts I found some really interesting tags that should be more spread, or some frequent typos and misunderstanding of tags.
It would be a bit easier if there were some means to get all tags that have count between certain values, without going through tons of typos which have 1 or 2 posts first. Not that I have any tag gardening abilities, though.
Back on-topic: searching for character tags produces some strange results. It seems we now have characters named "glasses", "smile" and "thighhighs". Amusingly enough, those appear properly as gentags at post listing.
Type-kun said:
Back on-topic: searching for character tags produces some strange results. It seems we now have characters named "glasses", "smile" and "thighhighs". Amusingly enough, those appear properly as gentags at post listing.
Fixed. I wonder who is constantly fooling around with the tags..
Serlo said:
4. Comments are for asking for help about these, but people don't, comments go ignored, and typing is much more effort than glancing at the wiki tags (if there's still a column at the bottom for tags appearing in the wiki)
This is SO annoying. Nobody ever answers me, and even if they do nobody changes the tags themselves.
Now I started raiding through the gentags and here comes the problem. Here is this ben_over tag. I have the "fix" option, which shows me some statistics. In reality there are no posts with this tag. I can't edit this "fix" page, but the tag has to be deleted from the listing. What do I do?
MagicalAsparagus said:
Now I started raiding through the gentags and here comes the problem. Here is this ben_over tag. I have the "fix" option, which shows me some statistics. In reality there are no posts with this tag. I can't edit this "fix" page, but the tag has to be deleted from the listing. What do I do?
It's not showing up in the listing for me. Tag search for 'ben_over'.