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[Fate] What is the link between Tonelico and Morgan le Fay?

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Veradux said:

No.

That bit of information is canon-only and from a part of the story where an entire faction is borrowing the names of another group. See fairy_knight_gawain_(fate) and other various fairy knights, who we will likely have to reverse the alias for when they are officially released in English.

So you mean that they're different characters with one taking the name of the other?

Why are half of tonelico's posts tagged with artoria caster (second ascension) too? Aren't they just different character wearing similar outfits?

Basically Tonelico was Morgan's childhood name on the Lostbelt events of Fate/Grand Order. This one Morgan (she's not from Pan Human History) was a fairy created by the planet itself to fulfill a certain role.

Morgan failed it, so Artoria Caster looks exactly like young Morgan because she was also created by the planet itself - as a fairy - for the same purpose. It's like previous and next generation.

EDIT: I mean, they're two different characters with the same appearance. Tonelico was indeed used as a title for Morgan's companions in the story, but that's irrelevant for pictures.

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Laudividni said:

Basically Tonelico was Morgan's childhood name on the Lostbelt events of Fate/Grand Order. This one Morgan (she's not from Pan Human History) was a fairy created by the planet itself to fulfill a certain role.

Morgan failed it, so Artoria Caster looks exactly like young Morgan because she was also created by the planet itself - as a fairy - for the same purpose. It's like previous and next generation.

EDIT: I mean, they're two different characters with the same appearance. Tonelico was indeed used as a title for Morgan's companions in the story, but that's irrelevant for pictures.

I got the Tonelico and Artoria Caster generation thing, I'm just confused why are people tagging both when there's only one visible character. If I got it correctly blue front bow is Caster and black front bow is Tonelico right?

I would still go for a Tonelico -> Morgan implication then. Having a major outfit difference isn't a good reason to not implicate imo, we've done it to other characters anyway.

Does Tonelico even need to be a separate tag if she's so visually near-identical to Caster Artoria that her wiki mentions it? We don't tag Rhongomyniad separately from Lancer Artoria despite minor differences (such as the eyes).
And I doubt most people want "basically Artoria Caster" to appear when searching for Morgan. This is an anime imageboard, not the Fate wiki.

magcolo said:

I got the Tonelico and Artoria Caster generation thing, I'm just confused why are people tagging both when there's only one visible character. If I got it correctly blue front bow is Caster and black front bow is Tonelico right?

I would still go for a Tonelico -> Morgan implication then. Having a major outfit difference isn't a good reason to not implicate imo, we've done it to other characters anyway.

Sorry for replying 14 days later. I think people are doing that simply because the tag exists, using it similar to the many Fate ascension and costume tags we have now.

I agree something should be done since Artoria Caster (Second Ascension) essentially = Tonelico's outfit, maybe alias/nuke it and do like post #4912577, tagging Artoria's ascension and cosplay? I'm not sure what to suggest.

Laudividni said:

I agree something should be done since Artoria Caster (Second Ascension) essentially = Tonelico's outfit, maybe alias/nuke it and do like post #4912577, tagging Artoria's ascension and cosplay? I'm not sure what to suggest.

I wouldn't suggest an alias though since you can still tell them apart by the black bow and the staff, and it's not a cosplay either, tagging them that way might bring to confusion. What it currently looks like works fine for me. I would go with tagging Artoria Caster (Second Ascension) if not specified, but if you can see the bow/staff it's Tonelico.

https://fgo.news/blog-entry-52280.html This looks like a related outfit? not sure if it's important tho

Laudividni said:

Let's try a Tonelico -> Morgan implication then.

I think that would be really bad from an imageboard/tagging perspective. A couple of the Tonelico posts look like Morgan cosplaying Artoria Caster, and the rest look nothing like Morgan at all. I really don't think "Artoria Caster with a different colored bow" should appear when searching for Morgan, even if FGO lore says that WELL TECHNICALLY Tonelico is Morgan.

Astolfo said:

I think that would be really bad from an imageboard/tagging perspective. A couple of the Tonelico posts look like Morgan cosplaying Artoria Caster, and the rest look nothing like Morgan at all. I really don't think "Artoria Caster with a different colored bow" should appear when searching for Morgan, even if FGO lore says that WELL TECHNICALLY Tonelico is Morgan.

I'm not a big fan either, dunno what to do.

Laudividni said:

I'm not a big fan either, dunno what to do.

Just leave it as it is then, maybe some gardening to separate the posts tagged with both artoria and tonelico into the correct tag. As I suggested, if nothing is specified just go with Artoria Caster (Second Ascension), if there's a clear distinction, wether it be the black bow, tonelico's different staff or an artist commentary, tag Tonelico instead. Better add this on the wiki too since a lot of posts are tagged with both or even cosplay tags.

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