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Incest between stepparents and their adopted kids, between stepsiblings, and so on

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How should one tag romantic or sexual interaction between non-blood-related parents and their children, between stepsiblings, and so on? "Technically" it's not incest, but adoptive relations treat each other as relatives despite that.

Fenton said:

I'm supporting this idea of the inseki tag being created, though would it also implicate incest?

Impilication doesn't make any sense, since it contradicts the base meaning of incest. They should be separated.
Thus, it's a good idea to edit incest wiki to make it clear.

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nonamethanks said:

The proper term is inseki. It doesn't look like we tag that kind of content yet, but I see no harm in doing so. You can create the tag and populate it if you want.

Thanks a lot for the advice, the idea to ask came to me, when I was looking around for spy x family-related stuff and found a few pictures, where Anya was rather interested in her stepmother.

Dramorian said:

Impilication doesn't make any sense, since it contradicts the base meaning of incest. They should be separated.
Thus, it's a good idea to edit incest wiki to make it clear.

But does someone looking for porn featuring family characters care if they're blood related or not? Relations with step-family are usually considered just as questionable, if not outright taboo.

blindVigil said:

But does someone looking for porn featuring family characters care if they're blood related or not? Relations with step-family are usually considered just as questionable, if not outright taboo.

Sure, but a weaker taboo than blood relations shagging (the stigma on close blood-relatives shagging comes from the increased risk of genetic diseases, which isn't there among non-blood relations).

blindVigil said:

But does someone looking for porn featuring family characters care if they're blood related or not?

Actually, I care and often exclude inseki and search for incest when browsing nhentai & exhentai. Taboo is rather appealing.

Talulah said:

Do nhentai/exhentai tag inseki as incest? If they are implicated then you can get the same results via incest -inseki...

From Exhentai's definition of inseki

Type: Activity / Contextual
Description: Sex involving in-law, step, or adopted family relatives.
Notes: Requires the incest tag. Follows the same presence rules as incest.
Gender: The namespace of the appropriate incest tag determines the namespace of this tag.
Slave Tags: Female, Male, Mixed

Which is why I was asking. How many people care that Kirito and Suguha aren't actually blood related? If the characters are being tagged brother and sister, I think romantic/sexual interaction between the two should be tagged incest. Those kind of relationships are even commonly poked fun at for being "acceptable incest."

blindVigil said:

Which is why I was asking. How many people care that Kirito and Suguha aren't actually blood related? If the characters are being tagged brother and sister, I think romantic/sexual interaction between the two should be tagged incest. Those kind of relationships are even commonly poked fun at for being "acceptable incest."

But they are blood related? Kirito and Suguha are cousins.
Also may I remind you that porn aside, romantic stories in reconstituted families is fairly common. Though we also need to consider whether stuff like mamahaha no tsurego ga moto kano datta where their parents remarried after they had a romantic relationship count or not.

magcolo said:

But they are blood related? Kirito and Suguha are cousins.

Relations between cousins is usually frowned upon but it's not technically incest, that's why there are many animes shipping cousins because "it's legal, so why not?". Also, relations between cousins were fairly common in the West by the 19th century and are dating a distant relative is a common thing in many smaller towns, where people don't have much of a choice of who they can actually date.

On the part of relations with step-parents and step-siblings, it's just become one way of being "almost incest", so some people may get the kicks for feeling like it's some sort of taboo while not being outright incest, which is why there is so much "what are you doing, step-bro?" in porn. If we are using inseki then it should just be a relation between step-parents and step-siblings and not get an incest tag.

I also checked the tag and it's practically filled with stuff from Spy x Family, so I don't know if this even applies to adoption or fake families, and I don't think the tag even applies in most of the posts.

Dramorian said:

Inseki requires incest but it's not implicated, so you type -inseki and get rid of step-relationship-related works.

Incest inseki
Incest -inseki

What you describe is exactly how implications work. Your second search works because inseki requires incest, not the other way around. The first search could just be incest, and assuming anything on ex is tagged correctly you would get the exact same results because all inseki posts are tagged incest. Searching inseki then would then obviously only get you inseki posts.

This is exactly how it would work on danbooru if inseki implicates incest.

magcolo said:

But they are blood related? Kirito and Suguha are cousins.
Also may I remind you that porn aside, romantic stories in reconstituted families is fairly common. Though we also need to consider whether stuff like mamahaha no tsurego ga moto kano datta where their parents remarried after they had a romantic relationship count or not.

Right. It's been a while, I could only remember their relationship being some variation of "brother and sister but not really." It's not hard to find proper examples of the kind of relationship I described, because it's the easiest cop-out to do incest without committing to doing real incest.

As it stands, inseki is a sub-genre of incest, they should be implicated.

Obi-Wan said:

Relations between cousins is usually frowned upon but it's not technically incest, that's why there are many animes shipping cousins because "it's legal, so why not?". Also, relations between cousins were fairly common in the West by the 19th century and are dating a distant relative is a common thing in many smaller towns, where people don't have much of a choice of who they can actually date.

Well, true that cousins were less of a taboo back then, but it doesn't change the fact that they are indeed blood related. Tagging distant relative would be going too far, but just how closely related do they have to be to warrant the tag? Does it mean that if they're cousins they don't warrant the tag anymore?

blindVigil said:

Right. It's been a while, I could only remember their relationship being some variation of "brother and sister but not really." It's not hard to find proper examples of the kind of relationship I described, because it's the easiest cop-out to do incest without committing to doing real incest.

As it stands, inseki is a sub-genre of incest, they should be implicated.

So if they had a relationship before their parents remarried it would still be tagged incest?
What if the parents remarried when their children are already grownups? Hence they're old enough to not develop any family-like connection and might not even live under the same roof.
Is it the same for adoptive siblings? If yes that will just include so many popular fan ships, and I'm not sure if flooding incest like that will make people happy, both the ones searching for it and the ones that blocks it.
One can argue that orphans from the same adoptive family or even the same orphanage would count too.

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magcolo said:

So if they had a relationship before their parents remarried it would still be tagged incest?
What if the parents remarried when their children are already grownups? Hence they're old enough to not develop any family-like connection and might not even live under the same roof.
Is it the same for adoptive siblings? If yes that will just include so many popular fan ships, and I'm not sure if flooding incest like that will make people happy, both the ones searching for it and the ones that blocks it.

I'm not sure your examples would even be tagged inseki. The first two don't seem like they would count for either tags, while adoptive siblings could be variable. I'm not deep enough into the incest rabbit hole to really speak as an authority, I can only give my opinions. I at least feel like most examples of adoptive sibling love are generally regarded as incestuous, despite there being no blood relation.

blindVigil said:

I'm not sure your examples would even be tagged inseki. The first two don't seem like they would count for either tags, while adoptive siblings could be variable. I'm not deep enough into the incest rabbit hole to really speak as an authority, I can only give my opinions. I at least feel like most examples of adoptive sibling love are generally regarded as incestuous, despite there being no blood relation.

I though that's exactly what inseki wants to cover? Taboo but not actually related. If these are not what else goes under the inseki tag?

from inseki's wiki:

"Incest" between relatives through adoption (e.g. between stepparents and their adopted children) or in-laws (e.g. the old hentai plot where a boy's father remarries, and the boy starts shagging his new "sister", "mother", or both).

Were you not asking about what things would be tagged incest?

Maybe I'm misunderstanding something, but I'm talking about the examples of people in relationships before they're parents marry, making them technically family. That's not taboo. I don't think it would make sense to tag something like that as inseki, and by extension wouldn't be incest. Adoptive siblings that have grown up together would definitely be inseki. The question is whether that counts as incest, and I think most people who aren't hardcore incest aficionados would say yes.

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