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Blue is standard and white_school_swimsuit is a popular variant with over 2000 posts, but since I just saw pink_school_swimuit getting a wiki with its 19 posts, I ask:
do we really need *_school_swimsuit tags for every color when we can use school_swimsuit in combination with COLOR_swimsuit?
There's also red_school_swimsuit and black_school_swimsuit with 15 posts each.
I would suggest merge it all in something like alternate_color_school_swimsuit or just color_school_swimsuit.
Create an alias for all present variants to that tag and keep track for future different colors.
I thought it was silly to have different *_school_swimsuit tags, even though I wrote the wiki for pink_school_swimsuit.
Colored school swimsuit might be less of a mouthful.
BCI_Temp said: Colored school swimsuit might be less of a mouthful.
It would, but I like the way we've been using "alternate" pretty extensively and consistently.
Implicate the following:
black_school_swimsuit -> school_swimsuit
alternate_color_school_swimsuit -> school_swimsuit
Alias the following:
pink_school_swimsuit -> alternate_color_school_swimsuit
red_school_swimsuit -> alternate_color_school_swimsuit
yellow_school_swimsuit -> alternate_color_school_swimsuit
brown_school_swimsuit -> alternate_color_school_swimsuit
green_school_swimsuit -> alternate_color_school_swimsuit
grey_school_swimsuit -> alternate_color_school_swimsuit
orange_school_swimsuit -> alternate_color_school_swimsuit
purple_school_swimsuit -> alternate_color_school_swimsuit
And then alias /acss -> alternate_color_school_swimsuit as a shortcut if needed.
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Benit149 said:
While it isn't that populated, I think this should be one of the exceptions and left out of the alias/implication. Of the colors I think its one that is most likely to be a real uniform color besides white and blue/navy, and I think there is enough potential visual overlap with the navy blue to make it aliasing/implying the alternate_color_school_swimsuit tag to cause problems.
Benit149 said:
So should the following be aliases or implications?
I believe the overall objective is that they'll be aliased to the tag.
EB said:
Navy blue tends to be considered "black" here, particularly with legwear tagging
Although legwear is another topic, for consistency it could be relevant.
Second, if what you're saying were true, there would be a lot more black_school_swimsuit posts, which it isn't the case. I think it's the other way around and black swimsuits are been tagged as blue...well... are tagged only as school_swimsuit.
Either way, I'm going with what Benit said.
As far as black vs. navy blue goes, I think it's best just to stick to our judgment the same way we do with orange_hair vs. brown_hair, or pink_hair vs. lavender_hair, and similar colors that tend to overlap one another. The black_school_swimsuit alias could be removed from the list if desired, but again it's a tricky color to compare against other dark colors like navy blue or deep purple, like how hair, eye and legwear colors are argued.
Issue is more between normal colors versus non-normal colors. Sure comparing black will be tricky against navy blue or dark purple, but the thing is those colors aren't getting tagged. They're in the color range that will just be labelled "normal" and will not receive the alternate_color_school_swimsuit tag (or any color tag for that matter) to begin with. Black should be left out not simply because of the overlap with the normal colors, but because its a color that really doesn't belong under the alternate_color_school_swimsuit tag with the other colors. It is a standard color (despite not being populated as a tag, though perhaps made worse due to minimal visual difference from the norm) and would be an oddball lumped with the other colors going under the alternate color tag.
So, black_school_swimsuit should be left out as a single tag or aliased to school_swimsuit?
Elfenus said:
So, black_school_swimsuit should be left out as a single tag or aliased to school_swimsuit?
I think it should be left out as a single tag because pure black school swimsuits are rarer compared to the blue or navy-colored school swimsuits and it will allow them to be more easily searched.
Then I'll remove the alias. But I think it would be helpful if black_school_swimsuit was a little more populated in order to make it a better tag as a normal colored school swimsuit. The way it's tagged right now, it looks like a rarer color.
EDIT: Oh yes, if the black swimsuit is going to be a separate tag, then we'll need the black_school_swimsuit -> school_swimsuit implication as well. Adding it to my list.
EDIT 2: I want to write the wiki for black_school_swimsuit, but first I want to be sure I clarify the subjective nature between black and navy blue:
"A school swimsuit that is colored black.
This tag easily overlaps with the regular navy blue school_swimsuit or the purple_school_swimsuit, so it is difficult to differentiate between the three colors. A good rule of thumb to use is to tag any colors you can see, so for example in post #1478204, it could either be navy blue or black, so you could use both the regular school_swimsuit and the black_school_swimsuit tags in this post. Alternately, you can just stick to the school_swimsuit tag if the color is too ambiguous."
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Benit149 said:
Alias the following:
When this tag wasn't populated I didn't think this would be a problem, but given now what is in there after you started to populate the tag, I'm also going to have to be against this alias as well. This tag is essentially covering what would be normal school swimsuits, and shouldn't be under the alternate color school swimsuit tag.
As for your wording for black in allowing removal, it should be pointed out like all color overlaps, when in doubt you're supposed to tag both colors you think it is.
NWF_Renim said:
This tag is essentially covering what would be normal school swimsuits, and shouldn't be under the alternate color school swimsuit tag.
With a few exceptions such as post #526871, they all look blue to me.
When this tag wasn't populated I didn't think this would be a problem, but given now what is in there after you started to populate the tag, I'm also going to have to be against this alias as well. This tag is essentially covering what would be normal school swimsuits, and shouldn't be under the alternate color school swimsuit tag.
I was surprised by the number of purple_school_swimsuit posts as well, but it's possible that the lighting in the image could be causing a regular school_swimsuit to look purple or indigo, such as in post #5786. Anyway, should there be a minimum post count before a school swimsuit color can be considered 'normal'? I got black up to almost 1000, white has 2000+, but purple only has over 100. Would you consider at least 100 posts to be acceptable enough to avoid the alias? If it is, then I'll remove it and make a purple_school_swimsuit -> school_swimsuit implication.
As for your wording for black in allowing removal, it should be pointed out like all color overlaps, when in doubt you're supposed to tag both colors you think it is.
Changed my WIP wiki to reflect using both colors. But I find this a little difficult to implement because we don't have a navy_blue_school_swimsuit tag to act as a separate color tag should a post need both a navy blue + black, or navy blue + purple color combination.
I also added to the WIP that if the color is just too vague to identify, the school_swimsuit tag can just be used. Sometimes it's just impossible to tell the difference between certain colors, so that's an alternative.
Also a quick question: Is Catherine Kyoubashi's swimsuit considered a red_school_swimsuit or just a plain red_swimsuit?
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Benit149 said:
Also a quick question: Is Catherine Kyoubashi's swimsuit considered a red_school_swimsuit or just a plain red_swimsuit?
No nametag == regular swimsuit.
Kikimaru said:
No nametag == regular swimsuit.
School swimsuits don't always have a nametag. If it doesn't bear any particular resemblance to the common styles of school swimsuits I wouldn't tag it as such, though. Catherine Kyoubashi's looks like something I would tag competition_swimsuit.
