Overtagging with "yuri"

I find a lot of posts tagged with yuri that perhaps don't merit the tag, for example post #367591 (they're just talking), post #209176 (they're just watching her masturbate), post #586441 (what?), post #535556, post #585847, and many more. For some of these I can kind of see where the taggers are coming from, but I feel that if people are searching for pictures of girls innocently holding hands, then they can search 2girls hand_holding, it's not necessary to pollute the yuri tag.
Thoughts?

Danbooru has historically used yuri in the Japanese sense, which includes non-sexual images as well.

I once read that the 2girls tag was instated in order to prevent flooding of the yuri tag.

I agree, none of those should be tagged yuri, IMO - whatever's occuring doesn't have to be sexual, but it should be indisputably more then platonic.

A tougher sticking point for me was post #580369, which I was on the verge of detagging until I noticed Meiya does have her legs on either side of Yuuhi. I'm not sure it would give that impression at all were they not half-naked, though.

The problem is is that the "counting" tags were polluted to the point of irrelevance.

Generally, if two girls are naked or in some general state of undress together, and there is no male show, its yuri.

Fencedude said:
Generally, if two girls are naked or in some general state of undress together, and there is no male show, its yuri.

So all 2girls locker_room images should be tagged yuri? I think state of undress is rather irrelevant, it's whether the girls are showing some romantic or sexual interest in each other than is important.

7HS said:
So all 2girls locker_room images should be tagged yuri? I think state of undress is rather irrelevant, it's whether the girls are showing some romantic or sexual interest in each other than is important.

He said "generally" not a hard fast rule. T

@jjj14
Generally I agree yuri tag tends to be overused, except we should be aware that if we allow "any kind of (...) romantic act" (wiki quote) as yuri then the borders are not so distinct as we'd want them to be. And that the dreaded xpi (extra picture information, see forum #32111) is raising its ugly head once again.
For example post #586441. I assume you didn't watch Kanamemo. Well I did, and I know the situation pictured here is highly unusual (hmm, an adult tag maybe?), in fact I have no doubts that we're seeing happily married yuri couple, when one of them is going out to (or coming back home from) her work as OL.
In post #535556 both of them are taking care of their own child, duh.
In post #585847 we have Nanoha and Fate together. Pretty well established yuri pairing. I agree with you that yuri tag shouldn't be there, but I'm afraid it doesn't really matter. Remove this yuri tag today, I bet it'll be back tommorow.

Ah, and +1 from me for yuri tag removal in post #367591 and post #209176.

As Soljashy said, 2girls was originally for gray-area, not-quite-yuri but not-quite-platonic cases like post #367591. Of course, 2girls is the worst possible name for this concept and people just wound up flooding 2girls instead, and even worse, creating a bunch of even more useless #girls/#boys tags.

Soljashy said: I once read that the 2girls tag was instated in order to prevent flooding of the yuri tag.

Yeah, unfortunately the counting tag movement destroyed that.

Yuri here is supposed to be largely for sexual acts but without a more romantic/less sexual girl-girl tag available it's inevitable it'll end up on non-sexual images.

Unless we want to make an umbrella "Shoujo-ai" tag, and then specifically reduce Yuri to explicit lesbianism, I think the current usage is fine, with some caveats. (several of the images the OP posted were not Yuri by any definition, and probably wouldn't even be considered "Shoujo-ai")

Fencedude said:
Unless we want to make an umbrella "Shoujo-ai" tag, and then specifically reduce Yuri to explicit lesbianism

I was about to suggest this. A manga site I used to use had separate "shoujo-ai" and "yuri" categories and it worked quite well. I think the same thing or something very similar would work for Danbooru as well. Tag shoujo-ai for cases of girl-girl romance such as pool #1026 or post #585131, and tag yuri for explicit sexings between girls.

God no, only not shoujo-ai please. This term is really wrong, and led in the past to many misunderstandings. Yuri is yuri, you want explicit yuri, tag it and search it accordingly then - that's all.

EDIT: in fact there's no need for extra tagging, we have ratings here for this.

Could also make more use of the romance tag for non-explicit yuri. It wouldn't be specifically female-female, but "2girls romance" should find what people want (except in the cases there are more than 2 girls in the picture, but that seems rather rare when romantic situations are considered.)

I don't know. post #367591 looks like yuri to me; they are not actually having sex, no, but from their positions, their eyes and the way it focuses on Meiko's lips, it definitely seems to be visually implying a romantic relationship between them to me. That, as far as I know, is all that yuri requires... it isn't limited to explicit stuff.

If I was looking for yuri rating:s images, that's the kind of thing I would expect to find...

Xabid said: I don't know. post #367591 looks like yuri to me; they are not actually having sex, no, but from their positions, their eyes and the way it focuses on Meiko's lips, it definitely seems to be visually implying a romantic relationship between them to me. That, as far as I know, is all that yuri requires... it isn't limited to explicit stuff.

It should certainly be tagged something, whether yuri or some related tag.

Suiseiseki said:

Danbooru has historically used yuri in the Japanese sense, which includes non-sexual images as well.

As a disciple of the Lililicious scanlating community, I would heartily support this. To me, yuri = romantic or sexual relationships between women -- and I barely knew of the expression shoujo-ai when I got used to that definition.

That said, many of Jjj14's examples were overuse of the tag anyway. I would only use yuri when something more than friendship is clearly perceivable.

To me, post #209176 says, "we are being curious as hell" rather than "we are in love with her" or "we would like to have an orgy with her".

post #367591, then, is a borderline case. Xabid's interpretation makes a lot of sense, but you could come up with a different context, such as Meiko (as a more experienced and confident friend) teasing Miku after having learned about some intimate details in her (heterosexual) love life.

Well, if I were to search the Yuri tag, I would most definitely want that image to be included.

Edit: the Miku/MEIKO one. The one of the other girls peaking in while the other masturbates is not yuri.

Xabid said:
post #367591 looks like yuri to me; they are not actually having sex, no, but from their positions, their eyes and the way it focuses on Meiko's lips, it definitely seems to be visually implying a romantic relationship between them to me.

I don't think it implies anything of the sort. There's not even blushing going on, which you almost always would find in a situation like that. The focus on MEIKO's lips is probably just to play up the sexualized older-woman aspect to the audience.

Katajanmarja said:
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post #367591, then, is a borderline case. Xabid's interpretation makes a lot of sense, but you could come up with a different context, such as Meiko (as a more experienced and confident friend) teasing Miku after having learned about some intimate details in her (heterosexual) love life.

You could come up with alternate interpretations on a number of images. I think the important parts here are whether or not a taggable one comes readily to mind for a good number of people and whether people looking for the relevant tags would want that image to come up. I do agree yuri fans see yuri in many places others don't, but I doubt yuri is the only tag where this happens. It just happens to be a bit more complicated because of the non-explicit nature of much yuri. I don't thinking creating a separate tag is necessary. Actually, I think it would only complicate/confuse matters, replacing only a situation a search with two terms would solve.

As for the individula posts:
post #367591: My first impression was of Meiko teasing a kiss. The sort of thing subtext-y thing I've seen several artists use when playing with yuri, so I side with keeping the tag.
post #209176: Agree with voyeurism/shocked curiosity and not yuri.
post #586441: I can see it if I think about it, and I would probably see it more readily if I had seen the show. It's a tough call because it seems like knowing the characters can make the difference, and I know there's a debate about how much of that information should be used in tagging. Still, the more I look at it the more I get that "married couple" vibe. I suppose I can ultimately can go either way just because not only can I see it, but it's the sort of thing people looking for yuri of those characters would likely want to find.
post #586441: This is definitely yuri. SCIENCE!
post #585847: Oh dear lord. If post 3 made me stop and think, this one is likely to give me headaches. This one is full of subtleties, and so much non-explicit yuri is all about the subtleties (read:subtext). There are three things I can see that might make this yuri. There's the couple. There's how they're holding hands. (Take a look. It's not normal hand-in-hand. It's that quasi-caress thing couples do) There's the implication they're gazing at each other as they walk hand-in-hand...which you don't actually see...which they might not be at all. By the same vein you can't actually tell that's Nanoha by the image. That's not exactly her normal clothing. Really, I could personally go either way on that one. I can see why it would be tagged yuri, but it's subtle and you'd likely miss if you weren't looking.